Google Nuke

Matt and Adam flew the b-2 stealth bomber over problogger copyblogger, search engine roundtable, john chow and many other websites this week and deployed the PageRank nuke.

Its a pretty strategic nuke. It puts a hurting on their link sale value but seems to have no bearing in there actually search engine rankings. I still see these sites ranked very highly for terms.

I have to confess I do not even know what this sites pagerank is. I uninstalled seo tool bars a longtime ago. (i occasionally turn them back on).

So can someone tell me is this site, shoemoney.com still a pr9 ?

By Jeremy Schoemaker

Jeremy "ShoeMoney" Schoemaker is the founder & CEO of ShoeMoney Media Group, and to date has sold 6 companies and done over 10 million in affiliate revenue. In 2013 Jeremy released his #1 International Best selling Autobiography titled "Nothing's Changed But My Change" - The ShoeMoney Story. You can read more about Jeremy on his wikipedia page here.

155 thoughts on “Google PageRank Nuke Engaged”
  1. Sites with a PR of 3 or less have ranked well for competitive terms for a while. I’ve actually had a few sites see an increase in PR, yet the rankings have stayed the same or even dropped.

    Of course, while most people can agree it’s worhtless, many will still check their PR everyday. It’s one of the best implementations of SEO crack out there.

    >> shoemoney.com still a pr9 ?

    Sarcasm people… sarcasm.

  2. Surpised it took ’em this long. It seemed for a while it was all talk and no show. I wonder if anyone who was selling links stopped after Matt’s post and avoided the bomb.

  3. Well if the SERPS are unchanged then the PR reported shows 2 things.

    1. People who use PR to judge how important a site is may think John Chow has less importance.
    2. TLA and other sites that charge according to PR make John’s links worth less while not actually affecting Google’s search results.

  4. WOW… shoemoney.com got hit too! From PR 9 to … … hmm…. did jeremy read it invertedly when his toolbar is on at that time… πŸ˜€

  5. Your page rank is 0 in my toolbar…
    Oh, wait, the page isn’t loaded yet. It’s PR6.

    Anyway, I don’t see what this whole mess is about. Take problogger. He is, in my eyes, completely ethical, and trying to earn his income with making sites, and blogging, giving other people great tips. And then they lower his PR!?

  6. I stopped using the toolbar too. There is a huge disconnect between PR and SE value. Based in the SERPs for posts on my blog, Google clearly thinks its an authority site, yet we have no PR. That makes no sense. But I’ll take good SERPs over a green bar any day, so nuke away.

  7. Man he was kidding with the PR9. He had a PR6 since few months back when I checked it :P. He said that so that people will comment all over the place!!! Nice strategy shoe.

  8. […] money. So fuck you Darren Rowse, and fuck you John Chow, for whining about losing your Page Rank. Shoemoney doesn’t seem to care about it, oh and Loren Baker got it right as […]

  9. Your blog has a PR of 6. I dont think PR has a direct effect on your SE position. I tend to focus more on my SE position.

  10. Paul,

    You are the first person I have heard of on ANY of the blogs/forums that I follow that has seen an increase from this update!

    Vic

  11. seems like google is doing some pagerank house cleaning πŸ™‚ PR was just a value people used to gauge now it will start going back to being worthless.

  12. i dont want to check your PR cause if I do its just going to depress me even more, i wrote a post on pagerank as well, check it out

  13. Dude.. you are PR6.. thats still pretty sick.. If you knew about SEO and what Page Rank is and does you can do well with other sites.. but you probably make a killing from you site just because other people see you as a PR 6.. keep doing what you are doing.. love your site!

  14. No, I’m a PR9 though.

    I’m blogging about this whole thing tomorrow. Are you excited? πŸ˜›

  15. Just looked at multiple data centers – all PR6 for shoemoney. http://www.seologs.com/pr-check/pagerank-dc.html

    I’m still sitting at PR3 – which doesn’t look as bad considering problogger is a PR4 now. It’s a bit weird – my google traffic has gone up quite a bit the past few days – so maybe google is tweaking how many good links you need to get to goto the next level?

  16. lucky to him to stay at 6 .. I heard that google new algorithm will be even worst in the begging of 2008.. This is only the beta version…..
    They got a new plan for 2008 !!!! Internet will change …. the buzz continued

  17. Dang it my A.D.D. got the best of me and I didn’t notice that I put PR6 instead of PR9….that’s what I get for trying to be funny I guess.

  18. Page Rank is pointless (and stupid). I’ve got PR0’s ranking in the top 3 for some very competitive terms.

  19. “Is that Elvis?!” [swipes wallet] “Oh, never mind. Carry on.”

    πŸ˜‰

    What is p-a-g-e r-a-n-k?

  20. Yeah, I’ve got a few half-assed sites that have gone from PR0 to unrated but are still indexed.

  21. No need to freak out about something that has no value anyway. Quit complaining about your PR being a 0 when your pages indexed and traffic are fine. PageRank is going to no longer be vissible in the future because people like everyone on this comment list are addicted to what their page is ranked…Worry about usability and your site won’t get banned!

  22. Im pretty sure dyslexic people read things backwards not upside down, You probally need to roll over.

  23. They don mind ranking sites well for the internal PR that determines se placement they are just wary about rolling out an update to the toolbar pr cause they dont want people to sell links.

  24. Shoe, from my experience PR doens’t matter that much on being found. It helps overcoming competitors on short tail keywords.
    The real deal is how fast your site gets indexed. If you have an high PR (4+), google indexes your new pages in minutes, otherwise it will take 1-2 days – that’s the real deal.
    It’s not really being a blog with rss, as someone says.
    Put yourself in their’s shoes. You have a zillion sites to index. Which one are you going to index first ?
    A matt cutt’s blog posts underline the very same concept.

  25. Who cares about PageRank. I’ve ranked top with sites in niche areas with PR1 above PR3 sites

    I don’t know why everyone is freaking out about it.

    People saying it affect link sale value. Well… if Google are getting rid of PR altogether which is what some are saying… then it will no longer be relevant anyway!

    We made it relevant and important, so the solution = to make it un-important to link value simply due to the fact it’s going (if it is)

  26. “Its a pretty strategic nuke. It puts a hurting on their link sale value ”

    Strategic if I sold text link ads…. a bit dumb if I haven’t for months πŸ™‚

  27. your weblog has been PR6 for nearly a year now. So technically speaking you got nuked as well.

  28. He means they are planning something big and massive and they wont reveal it just as yet. To be honest the whole idea of pagerank had flaws and since the early 2000 most people tried to manipulate it with much success. Google is making sure that they can stay on top and change everything. They might remove it and replace it with something like PageRate or a SiteRate depeding on traffic/relevance and keyword density detected by their bots. I personlly happen to think that is what is gonna happen.

  29. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  30. Looks like you are still PR6 here. My site hasn’t changed either.

  31. who cares, if any one is interested in buying links, only then he is going to take PR seriously, else not! So, for me PR is useless!

  32. You are the lucky person who didn’t care about the SEO tool bar and don’t know about PR as it will give you nothing but to keep you worried about gaining high PR for your site.

    Your site is PR6, there are many other big sites went down from PR6 to PR4, many directories, blogs and sites showing drop in PR values. Only solution is not to care of this PR mania and concentrate upon content and other useful stuff on your sites.

  33. I don’t even have a PR. I am not banned but I am just at a PR N/A since my blog is new. This nuke bomb came and killed many SEO experts and webmasters but I am sure those with great contents will prevails at last.

    Contents is getting more and more important, especially in this Web 2.0. If you want to get good coverage for your site, contents will be the key.

  34. I guess most of us are in an unsure mode.

    First, we are all expecting an update and it didn’t come. We got through a long dry Page Rank patch and now when it finally comes, it comes twice and created euphoria on the Internet.

    All I can say is smart Google.

  35. My blog is unaffected – used to be PR0, still is PR0 – but still makes me money πŸ˜€

  36. Google sucked all the time.

    I think it’s time all webmasters turn their attention to Yahoo and MSN.
    Google is giving us a sh*t load of crap and we are trying to fight it.

    I truelly don’t think this penalty is due to paid links. It’s something far more sinister.
    It is very difficult even for Google to know whether you paid for a link from another website especially if the paid link is from relevant content.

    Maybe Google is hitting down on Reciprocal links?
    We have all done it and it’s still on our sites…maybe google is filtering it out, meaning that PR will obviously drop.

    My 2cents.

    Mr. Review

  37. I’m fairly new to this whole seo game.. tell me something. does anyone know if there was a specific reason for taking off the seo tool bars.

  38. Dont sale links or post you sites in link exchange or text link ads.Google will drop your pr before u make money .

  39. Wow! I thought something was really weird going on. You’re a 6 dude. And here I am hoping to be at least a 5. πŸ™

  40. makes my firefox load slower… i have like 5 seo related toolbars i disable or enable them all depending

  41. i dont think there is any hitting on reciprocal link exchange. in fact i feel that those doing reciprocal link exchange (not with directory) probably manage to maintain their rank.

  42. probably yes. you can see symptoms of PR rank.
    – unconsistent PR across datacenters.
    – pr changes of many sites.
    Just that this update knock alot more sites down.

  43. A message has definitely been sent to sites that sell paid links. I don’t think it will stop any of the major sites from doing it though, they’re still authority sites

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  45. We took a hit from 4 to 3. I guess Google is throwing a fit over the Microsoft/Facebook deal. Sigh… Love your blog btw!

  46. Mine just went from 0 to 4 and I noticed that some of those big names who got wacked just got boosted back up. Something in the works.

  47. should we consider it a compliment when google nukes our page rank.. it means we’re doing something right to be considered a top player enough to have them nuke the sites page rank? i went from a pr 6 to a 4

  48. PageRank is not everything. As long as the calculation algorithm is not public, I’d rather spend my energies on more productive ventures than endless debates about whether a site is PR5 or 6. As long as it is useful to the consumer, it is a good site.

  49. There are a few of us that actually gained PR πŸ™‚ FreelanceSwitch went from 5 to 6 and NxE went from 4 to 5. Perhaps Google is just picking on the big boys.

  50. I think, you went down to 6. johnchow, i think, went down to 4. bad hair day for all of us. πŸ˜€

  51. You still rank first in google, yahoo, and msn for shoemoney.com, now if somehwo you could monetize that, lol

  52. This update was the most confusing update since some of my sites got a PR6 which had almost no backlinks. 😐

  53. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  54. Well as a matter of fact, the PR thing is playing a measure role in Internet marketing and everyone knows that… but it sucks to see Google pulling down PRs of websites for selling links.. I hate that πŸ™

  55. I hope the buzz around the next update in 2008 will finally see an end to PR as it is a complete waste of time. It’s only benefit is for link sellers to guage the value of their links and now that this is seemingly gone, what is the point in keeping it?

    I also agree with a previous commentor, we should pay more attention to MSN and Yahoo and let Google continue with their manual manipulations without our support.

    Just my 2 cents.

  56. I heard pagerank is useless anyway. But what do I know, I’m a newbie webmaster.

  57. I just see a PR of 6. If you had a 9 before that’s a pretty big drop. Has it hurt your traffic at all? Probably not.

  58. I really, really trying to get a hang of this pagerank thing and now there is talk of changes. All of this can make a newbies head spiiiiiiiinn.

  59. Just when you start to learn the game, they change the rules. Will the pagerank thing really change?

  60. Wish I had a Bat-decoder ring to see what it meant now. Outside of Pay-Per-Post and link sales it doesn’t seem like much.

    Although It does seem that those who say it doesn’t matter are at PR0 like me!

  61. … how do you find-out a PR without the google tool bar…

    I am seeing your website Page Rank is 6 for shoemoney.com…

  62. It is kind of weird. Earlier, yesterday actually, I was on and it said Shoemoney.com to have a PR of 5. Now it dropped to 4. ..

  63. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threds about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked downÒ€¦ Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  64. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  65. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  66. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  67. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked downÒ€¦ Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  68. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  69. […] it looks like Performancing got nuked while I was […]

  70. […] by admin on Oct.26, 2009, under Internet Marketing With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  71. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

  72. Good luck getting people behind this one. Though you make some VERY fascinating points, youre going to have to do more than bring up a few things that may be different than what weve already heard. What are trying to say here? What do you want us to think? It seems like you cant really get behind a unique thought. Anyway, thats just my opinion.

  73. […] With all the recent discussion of Google PageRank downgrade, i cant stop myself from joining the Google pagerank talk. You can see lots of threads about sites dropping PR. You can check out a list of solid sites having their page rank knocked down… Shoemoney hinted that his blog still maintain at nice PR. […]

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