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Google PageRank Nuke Engaged

Google PageRank Nuke Engaged

Jeremy Schoemaker October 25, 2007

Google Nuke

Matt and Adam flew the b-2 stealth bomber over problogger copyblogger, search engine roundtable, john chow and many other websites this week and deployed the PageRank nuke.

Its a pretty strategic nuke. It puts a hurting on their link sale value but seems to have no bearing in there actually search engine rankings. I still see these sites ranked very highly for terms.

I have to confess I do not even know what this sites pagerank is. I uninstalled seo tool bars a longtime ago. (i occasionally turn them back on).

So can someone tell me is this site, shoemoney.com still a pr9 ?

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Jeremy Schoemaker

Jeremy "ShoeMoney" Schoemaker is the founder & CEO of ShoeMoney Media Group, and to date has sold 6 companies and done over 10 million in affiliate revenue. In 2013 Jeremy released his #1 International Best selling Autobiography titled "Nothing's Changed But My Change" - The ShoeMoney Story. You can read more about Jeremy on his wikipedia page here.

140 Comments

  1. Ryan Blakemore

    I’m seeing a pagerank 6 for shoemoney.com

    October 25, 2007
  2. morphy

    I see a pr10

    October 25, 2007
  3. Derek

    You’ve been a PR6 for quite a while dude.

    My blog shitcanned to a PR2 from 4.

    October 25, 2007
  4. katurday

    I come up with a pagerank of 6 for shoemoney.com

    October 25, 2007
  5. Derek

    (though I was always surprised that it ranked pr4 in the first place lmao)

    October 25, 2007
  6. Kenneth

    yup…definitely a pagerank of 6

    October 25, 2007
  7. Ginene

    On prchecker.info it is a 6/10 and on urltrends.com it is a 6

    October 25, 2007
  8. Online Cash Flow

    Hmmmm… PR PR why is it so hard

    October 25, 2007
  9. Kenneth

    scary izit… google killed the rank silently.. goosassin..

    October 25, 2007
  10. Paul

    Sites with a PR of 3 or less have ranked well for competitive terms for a while. I’ve actually had a few sites see an increase in PR, yet the rankings have stayed the same or even dropped.

    Of course, while most people can agree it’s worhtless, many will still check their PR everyday. It’s one of the best implementations of SEO crack out there.

    >> shoemoney.com still a pr9 ?

    Sarcasm people… sarcasm.

    October 25, 2007
  11. Joel Mueller

    Go here: http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php

    I’m pretty sure shoemoney.com was never never never a PR9. lol

    October 25, 2007
  12. ShoeMoney

    we have a winner 😉

    October 25, 2007
  13. Instant Community

    Oh well, good luck with shoemoney.com

    October 25, 2007
  14. Jason

    my dyslexia proves otherwise.

    October 25, 2007
  15. Brent

    Surpised it took ’em this long. It seemed for a while it was all talk and no show. I wonder if anyone who was selling links stopped after Matt’s post and avoided the bomb.

    October 25, 2007
  16. LeGo

    and dellanave is a 4 now…

    October 25, 2007
  17. Blog Contests

    Took long enough!

    October 25, 2007
  18. Blog Contests

    I’m still PR0!

    October 25, 2007
  19. Kenneth

    PR9 was crazy man..

    October 25, 2007
  20. Kanwal

    So will this affect those sites that base their prices on PageRank? ahem*TLA*ahem

    October 25, 2007
  21. Geiger

    Well if the SERPS are unchanged then the PR reported shows 2 things.

    1. People who use PR to judge how important a site is may think John Chow has less importance.
    2. TLA and other sites that charge according to PR make John’s links worth less while not actually affecting Google’s search results.

    October 25, 2007
  22. Neon

    WOW… shoemoney.com got hit too! From PR 9 to … … hmm…. did jeremy read it invertedly when his toolbar is on at that time… 😀

    October 25, 2007
  23. Koen

    Your page rank is 0 in my toolbar…
    Oh, wait, the page isn’t loaded yet. It’s PR6.

    Anyway, I don’t see what this whole mess is about. Take problogger. He is, in my eyes, completely ethical, and trying to earn his income with making sites, and blogging, giving other people great tips. And then they lower his PR!?

    October 25, 2007
  24. Kenneth

    Google was an absolute genius…………..

    October 25, 2007
  25. SonicReducer

    I stopped using the toolbar too. There is a huge disconnect between PR and SE value. Based in the SERPs for posts on my blog, Google clearly thinks its an authority site, yet we have no PR. That makes no sense. But I’ll take good SERPs over a green bar any day, so nuke away.

    October 25, 2007
  26. LeGo

    page does load slow… 😉

    October 25, 2007
  27. blogstheme.com

    Man he was kidding with the PR9. He had a PR6 since few months back when I checked it :P. He said that so that people will comment all over the place!!! Nice strategy shoe.

    October 25, 2007
  28. Daniel Simpson Day

    War’s over, man. Google dropped the big one

    October 25, 2007
  29. JoeTech.com

    You’re at PR6 right now. I’ve seen a lot of sites take a hit.

    October 25, 2007
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    October 25, 2007
  31. Credit Card Offers

    Your blog has a PR of 6. I dont think PR has a direct effect on your SE position. I tend to focus more on my SE position.

    October 25, 2007
  32. ScreenRant.com

    Paul,

    You are the first person I have heard of on ANY of the blogs/forums that I follow that has seen an increase from this update!

    Vic

    October 25, 2007
  33. CPA Affiliates

    seems like google is doing some pagerank house cleaning 🙂 PR was just a value people used to gauge now it will start going back to being worthless.

    October 25, 2007
  34. krillz

    hahah that was funny shoemoney, still a pr 9 😀
    Best comment I’ve seen so far.

    October 25, 2007
  35. Ritu

    i dont want to check your PR cause if I do its just going to depress me even more, i wrote a post on pagerank as well, check it out

    October 25, 2007
  36. P90X

    Dude.. you are PR6.. thats still pretty sick.. If you knew about SEO and what Page Rank is and does you can do well with other sites.. but you probably make a killing from you site just because other people see you as a PR 6.. keep doing what you are doing.. love your site!

    October 25, 2007
  37. Ron

    No, PR6 is what I have for you.

    October 25, 2007
  38. Rhys

    No, I’m a PR9 though.

    I’m blogging about this whole thing tomorrow. Are you excited? 😛

    October 25, 2007
  39. Derek

    LMFAO some of the comments are killing me 😀

    October 25, 2007
  40. Jeremy Steele

    Just looked at multiple data centers – all PR6 for shoemoney. http://www.seologs.com/pr-check/pagerank-dc.html

    I’m still sitting at PR3 – which doesn’t look as bad considering problogger is a PR4 now. It’s a bit weird – my google traffic has gone up quite a bit the past few days – so maybe google is tweaking how many good links you need to get to goto the next level?

    October 25, 2007
  41. Blackysky

    lucky to him to stay at 6 .. I heard that google new algorithm will be even worst in the begging of 2008.. This is only the beta version…..
    They got a new plan for 2008 !!!! Internet will change …. the buzz continued

    October 25, 2007
  42. ShoeMoney

    dillsmack went from a pr2 to a pr4

    October 25, 2007
  43. Tim Spangler

    Because unless you sell links, it doesn’t really matter.

    October 25, 2007
  44. natekapi

    ZOMFG WTF BBQ!!! SHOEMONEY.COM JUST DROPPED FROM A PR6 TO A PR6?!!!!

    😉

    October 25, 2007
  45. natekapi

    Dang it my A.D.D. got the best of me and I didn’t notice that I put PR6 instead of PR9….that’s what I get for trying to be funny I guess.

    October 25, 2007
  46. cullen

    Page Rank is pointless (and stupid). I’ve got PR0’s ranking in the top 3 for some very competitive terms.

    October 25, 2007
  47. Yogesh

    So did we actually had a PR update?

    October 25, 2007
  48. jim

    hahaha i have NO idea what you just said

    October 25, 2007
  49. Farmer

    “Is that Elvis?!” [swipes wallet] “Oh, never mind. Carry on.”

    😉

    What is p-a-g-e r-a-n-k?

    October 25, 2007
  50. jim

    What’s funny is that PR doesn’t matter to the folks who don’t sell text links

    October 25, 2007
  51. jim

    Very true, if traffic is good, PR is meaningless

    October 25, 2007
  52. semmy.name

    Your site shows at firefox plugin as pr6 but at http://www.prchecker.info/pagerank-checking-code.php as pr5 only.

    My blog http://www.semmy.name after having had a PR3 forever is now all of a sudden “unrated” – I have had http://www.semmy.name redirected to http://www.semmy.com for a while doing updates (but they took longer and after 6 weeks my PR all of a sudden disappeared!). It is really bizarre.

    October 25, 2007
  53. jim

    Someone welcome him to the joke

    October 25, 2007
  54. Derek

    Yeah, I’ve got a few half-assed sites that have gone from PR0 to unrated but are still indexed.

    October 25, 2007
  55. Jonathan Volk

    :S… Someone needs to update their google toolbar.

    October 25, 2007
  56. Jonathan Volk

    Welcome to the joke! 😉

    (Was that good enough?!)

    October 25, 2007
  57. serge

    how do you find out a pagerank with out the google bar?

    October 25, 2007
  58. simon

    There are many PR checker website! Just search on Google you will find tons of them.

    October 25, 2007
  59. John M Weaver

    No need to freak out about something that has no value anyway. Quit complaining about your PR being a 0 when your pages indexed and traffic are fine. PageRank is going to no longer be vissible in the future because people like everyone on this comment list are addicted to what their page is ranked…Worry about usability and your site won’t get banned!

    October 25, 2007
  60. Klaudio

    Im still unranked 🙁

    October 25, 2007
  61. Milov Patel Blog

    Key Word is WAS

    October 25, 2007
  62. King Jacob

    You arent alone klaudio

    October 25, 2007
  63. King Jacob

    Im pretty sure dyslexic people read things backwards not upside down, You probally need to roll over.

    October 25, 2007
  64. alain

    to be ranked take much time in google i think

    October 25, 2007
  65. King Jacob

    They don mind ranking sites well for the internal PR that determines se placement they are just wary about rolling out an update to the toolbar pr cause they dont want people to sell links.

    October 25, 2007
  66. Alex

    Yes Shoe. You are a PR9……………..minus 3

    October 25, 2007
  67. nifty

    Shoe, from my experience PR doens’t matter that much on being found. It helps overcoming competitors on short tail keywords.
    The real deal is how fast your site gets indexed. If you have an high PR (4+), google indexes your new pages in minutes, otherwise it will take 1-2 days – that’s the real deal.
    It’s not really being a blog with rss, as someone says.
    Put yourself in their’s shoes. You have a zillion sites to index. Which one are you going to index first ?
    A matt cutt’s blog posts underline the very same concept.

    October 25, 2007
  68. Nick Sullivan

    Who cares about PageRank. I’ve ranked top with sites in niche areas with PR1 above PR3 sites

    I don’t know why everyone is freaking out about it.

    People saying it affect link sale value. Well… if Google are getting rid of PR altogether which is what some are saying… then it will no longer be relevant anyway!

    We made it relevant and important, so the solution = to make it un-important to link value simply due to the fact it’s going (if it is)

    October 25, 2007
  69. Darren

    “Its a pretty strategic nuke. It puts a hurting on their link sale value ”

    Strategic if I sold text link ads…. a bit dumb if I haven’t for months 🙂

    October 25, 2007
  70. Publishers Weblog

    your weblog has been PR6 for nearly a year now. So technically speaking you got nuked as well.

    October 25, 2007
  71. Publishers Weblog

    He means they are planning something big and massive and they wont reveal it just as yet. To be honest the whole idea of pagerank had flaws and since the early 2000 most people tried to manipulate it with much success. Google is making sure that they can stay on top and change everything. They might remove it and replace it with something like PageRate or a SiteRate depeding on traffic/relevance and keyword density detected by their bots. I personlly happen to think that is what is gonna happen.

    October 25, 2007
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    October 25, 2007
  73. geomark

    I see dead people. Better update my toolbar.

    October 25, 2007
  74. great008

    Does my pr8 site count for anything???

    October 25, 2007
  75. 賃貸 大阪

    Looks like you are still PR6 here. My site hasn’t changed either.

    October 25, 2007
  76. Daniel

    PR0 and make $10k a month – suck it Google!

    October 25, 2007
  77. PipholicDotCom

    who care with page rank 😀

    October 25, 2007
  78. uttoransen

    who cares, if any one is interested in buying links, only then he is going to take PR seriously, else not! So, for me PR is useless!

    October 25, 2007
  79. Smart websites make money

    PR affects your rankings and ads value so we should care about it after all.

    October 25, 2007
  80. Asim

    You are the lucky person who didn’t care about the SEO tool bar and don’t know about PR as it will give you nothing but to keep you worried about gaining high PR for your site.

    Your site is PR6, there are many other big sites went down from PR6 to PR4, many directories, blogs and sites showing drop in PR values. Only solution is not to care of this PR mania and concentrate upon content and other useful stuff on your sites.

    October 25, 2007
  81. lyricsreg

    You would care about PR if you had all your traffic coming from search engines

    October 25, 2007
  82. Wayne Liew

    I don’t even have a PR. I am not banned but I am just at a PR N/A since my blog is new. This nuke bomb came and killed many SEO experts and webmasters but I am sure those with great contents will prevails at last.

    Contents is getting more and more important, especially in this Web 2.0. If you want to get good coverage for your site, contents will be the key.

    October 26, 2007
  83. Wayne Liew

    I guess most of us are in an unsure mode.

    First, we are all expecting an update and it didn’t come. We got through a long dry Page Rank patch and now when it finally comes, it comes twice and created euphoria on the Internet.

    All I can say is smart Google.

    October 26, 2007
  84. SeanIM

    all your BrinRanks are belong to us

    October 26, 2007
  85. Affiliate Money Maker

    My blog is unaffected – used to be PR0, still is PR0 – but still makes me money 😀

    October 26, 2007
  86. angad

    google is sucking more than ever. you cannot even get quialty porn and warez search results

    October 26, 2007
  87. Mr Review

    Google sucked all the time.

    I think it’s time all webmasters turn their attention to Yahoo and MSN.
    Google is giving us a sh*t load of crap and we are trying to fight it.

    I truelly don’t think this penalty is due to paid links. It’s something far more sinister.
    It is very difficult even for Google to know whether you paid for a link from another website especially if the paid link is from relevant content.

    Maybe Google is hitting down on Reciprocal links?
    We have all done it and it’s still on our sites…maybe google is filtering it out, meaning that PR will obviously drop.

    My 2cents.

    Mr. Review

    October 26, 2007
  88. Making The Money

    Trust Rank here we come, page rank was flawed from day 1.

    October 26, 2007
  89. Tekkmonk

    I’m fairly new to this whole seo game.. tell me something. does anyone know if there was a specific reason for taking off the seo tool bars.

    October 26, 2007
  90. arturo

    you have no idea who jeremy is, do you? lol

    October 26, 2007
  91. krillz

    shoemoney you must have had the screen upside down when you saw that nine 😀

    October 26, 2007
  92. Seo Next

    Dont sale links or post you sites in link exchange or text link ads.Google will drop your pr before u make money .

    October 26, 2007
  93. Ades

    I see a sign which says this blog does not neet pagerank… 😉

    October 26, 2007
  94. Joshua Wexelbaum

    Guys.. PageRank Is keyword dependent! (see the last post on my blog).

    October 26, 2007
  95. morphy

    Yeah you got it right
    Who gives a fish about the g toolbar anyways

    October 26, 2007
  96. MyGoodFinds

    Wow! I thought something was really weird going on. You’re a 6 dude. And here I am hoping to be at least a 5. 🙁

    October 26, 2007
  97. Allyn Paul

    My rank is Staff Sgt. Salute me, all.

    October 26, 2007
  98. Justin Cook

    Mine dropped from PR5 to PR3. This bites…

    October 26, 2007
  99. ShoeMoney

    makes my firefox load slower… i have like 5 seo related toolbars i disable or enable them all depending

    October 26, 2007
  100. Neon

    i dont think there is any hitting on reciprocal link exchange. in fact i feel that those doing reciprocal link exchange (not with directory) probably manage to maintain their rank.

    October 26, 2007
  101. Mike Seiler

    Your “post” is just a link to http://scobleizer.com — why not just do that here? Did you think everyone prefers to click twice?

    October 26, 2007
  102. Derek

    lmao yeah that was one of the comments I just about pissed myself over

    October 26, 2007
  103. Neon

    probably yes. you can see symptoms of PR rank.
    – unconsistent PR across datacenters.
    – pr changes of many sites.
    Just that this update knock alot more sites down.

    October 26, 2007
  104. Ventrilo

    A message has definitely been sent to sites that sell paid links. I don’t think it will stop any of the major sites from doing it though, they’re still authority sites

    October 26, 2007
  105. James

    Here’s your official PR11 button: http://blog-money-wiki.com/images/misc/pagerank11.gif

    October 26, 2007
  106. LeadCritic

    lol, you took the words right out of my mouth.

    October 26, 2007
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  108. Luxbot

    We took a hit from 4 to 3. I guess Google is throwing a fit over the Microsoft/Facebook deal. Sigh… Love your blog btw!

    October 26, 2007
  109. john

    Mine just went from 0 to 4 and I noticed that some of those big names who got wacked just got boosted back up. Something in the works.

    October 26, 2007
  110. Amanda

    should we consider it a compliment when google nukes our page rank.. it means we’re doing something right to be considered a top player enough to have them nuke the sites page rank? i went from a pr 6 to a 4

    October 26, 2007
  111. big

    The Google paid link detection is really flawed: YouTube just dropped to PR3

    October 27, 2007
  112. safesurfer

    PageRank is not everything. As long as the calculation algorithm is not public, I’d rather spend my energies on more productive ventures than endless debates about whether a site is PR5 or 6. As long as it is useful to the consumer, it is a good site.

    October 27, 2007
  113. Cameron Low

    There are a few of us that actually gained PR 🙂 FreelanceSwitch went from 5 to 6 and NxE went from 4 to 5. Perhaps Google is just picking on the big boys.

    October 27, 2007
  114. Home based Business

    I think, you went down to 6. johnchow, i think, went down to 4. bad hair day for all of us. 😀

    October 27, 2007
  115. Tracy Robinson

    You still rank first in google, yahoo, and msn for shoemoney.com, now if somehwo you could monetize that, lol

    October 28, 2007
  116. Amit

    This update was the most confusing update since some of my sites got a PR6 which had almost no backlinks. 😐

    October 30, 2007
  117. Joeychgo

    Its BS. I posted about this a few times already on http://www.joeychgo.com — I wont regurgitate – but basically – Google shot itself in the foot on this one

    October 30, 2007
  118. interent phone

    Mine just went from 0 to 2 thank you google

    November 1, 2007
  119. motorsportBABESau

    yay my PR went up to 3! I was only 1 PR behind problogger for a day. w00t!

    November 5, 2007
  120. Tony Smith

    I’m still not even sure what page rank really is….

    November 8, 2007
  121. adwordsa

    Ok Very Good rank real http://www.adwordsa.com sale rank ?

    November 8, 2007
  122. Tim

    There will be another round. So be watch out!!

    –blog for dream–

    November 18, 2007
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  124. gizmo

    You’re a 4 now

    November 30, 2007
  125. James B.

    I don’t even know what my site’s pagerank is.

    December 4, 2007
  126. Life is Colourful

    Well as a matter of fact, the PR thing is playing a measure role in Internet marketing and everyone knows that… but it sucks to see Google pulling down PRs of websites for selling links.. I hate that 🙁

    December 13, 2007
  127. iAnon

    I hope the buzz around the next update in 2008 will finally see an end to PR as it is a complete waste of time. It’s only benefit is for link sellers to guage the value of their links and now that this is seemingly gone, what is the point in keeping it?

    I also agree with a previous commentor, we should pay more attention to MSN and Yahoo and let Google continue with their manual manipulations without our support.

    Just my 2 cents.

    December 14, 2007
  128. General knowledge

    i see it Pr6 also. I dont know what is was before google updated it last time.

    December 17, 2007
  129. Steve!

    Nobody cares about PR anymore, its a bad metric to measure by.

    December 23, 2007
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  131. Real Lottery Winner

    I heard pagerank is useless anyway. But what do I know, I’m a newbie webmaster.

    January 13, 2008
  132. Rodney

    I just see a PR of 6. If you had a 9 before that’s a pretty big drop. Has it hurt your traffic at all? Probably not.

    January 13, 2008
  133. Karin

    I really, really trying to get a hang of this pagerank thing and now there is talk of changes. All of this can make a newbies head spiiiiiiiinn.

    January 27, 2008
  134. Karin

    Just when you start to learn the game, they change the rules. Will the pagerank thing really change?

    January 27, 2008
  135. RacerX

    Wish I had a Bat-decoder ring to see what it meant now. Outside of Pay-Per-Post and link sales it doesn’t seem like much.

    Although It does seem that those who say it doesn’t matter are at PR0 like me!

    February 3, 2008
  136. Flash Gamer

    I see a PR 11 here, nice work.

    February 13, 2008
  137. seo_lover

    … how do you find-out a PR without the google tool bar…

    I am seeing your website Page Rank is 6 for shoemoney.com…

    February 15, 2008
  138. Dave King

    Sorry Shoe, seems like your pagerank is -7 over here.

    -Dave

    February 16, 2008
  139. beastmoon

    so, pagerank is very important for website marketing, let the war begin……….

    February 24, 2008
  140. Blends

    My blog pr drop to 0 from 3. Seem many website their pr are drop.

    February 25, 2008
  141. Jesse

    It is kind of weird. Earlier, yesterday actually, I was on and it said Shoemoney.com to have a PR of 5. Now it dropped to 4. ..

    March 13, 2008
  142. Nate Hill

    My blogs pagerank is still at 2 which is alright I suppose.

    April 13, 2008
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  151. Alice

    always remember to refresh the page and the PR hopefully will turn green 😉

    March 16, 2010
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  153. Fluconazole,order

    Good luck getting people behind this one. Though you make some VERY fascinating points, youre going to have to do more than bring up a few things that may be different than what weve already heard. What are trying to say here? What do you want us to think? It seems like you cant really get behind a unique thought. Anyway, thats just my opinion.

    April 21, 2011
  154. Sahil Kotak

    Aww…I am seeing -1 PR in Shoemoney.com 😀

    July 17, 2011
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