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Dmoz Extortion

ByJeremy Schoemaker

Aug 26, 2007

A while back I got a email from a guy claiming to be a DMOZ editor saying that I had to pay him $5,000.00 or he would have my site: shoemoney.com removed from the dmoz.

I thought nothing of it…. then today I got a email from him saying it was removed and I might want to rethink not paying him. I thought I would check just for grins.

It was removed… WOW

dmoz… corrupt… no…..

I never thought I would say this but I don’t even care anymore. I am stunned Google still uses this as there business directory as its the most corrupt “editorial” system EVER and especially since now they are trying to talk about paid links and crap…

Seriously I would love to see how they defend this one… How does shoemoney.com NOT belong in DMOZ??

Google seriously its time for you to aquire a business directory that has paid inclusion. There is so much porn and spam in the dmoz its a huge black eye for you. Business.com just got scooped up but there is another one that might be able to get got for a nice price *cough* best of the web *cough*

DUMP DMOZ

EDIT: A lot of people have been asking the category shoemoney.com was in. It was :

http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/Authoring/
Webmaster_Resources/Affiliate_Programs/Weblogs/


Also you can see from this web archive page that it was in (last link)

So for those dmoz lovers who said I was never in… there you go

By Jeremy Schoemaker

Jeremy "ShoeMoney" Schoemaker is the founder & CEO of ShoeMoney Media Group, and to date has sold 6 companies and done over 10 million in affiliate revenue. In 2013 Jeremy released his #1 International Best selling Autobiography titled "Nothing's Changed But My Change" - The ShoeMoney Story. You can read more about Jeremy on his wikipedia page here.

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435 thoughts on “Dmoz Extortion”

  1. Damn that’s shady. They really do have about the worst editorial system in the world.

    1. You are absolutely right.
      I personally tried dozens of my sites to get approved and all were not accepted.

      Shame:(

    1. And because you and others are willing to pay it, they’ll remain shady. As soon as the extorsion goes dry they’ll change the way they do business… but until then?

    2. That is extremely shady and frankly sounds like extortion! It is not DMOZ to blame though – it is the individual editor. To whom did you pay the $50? Mozilla/AOL would not request money for a listing on DMOZ. The individual editors are volunteers, just like you and me. If an individual editor attempts to extort money from you for a listing – he/she should be reported to both DMOZ and possibly law enforcement. Reporting shady activities like that, at least to DMOZ, will get that editor removed, and will help restore integrity to the project. Unfortunately, there are always a few rotten apples out there looking out only for their own gain…..

  3. DMOZ is overrated these days in my opinion. I’ve always done well without it and so have many others. Fuck the corrupt swine if they want to extort you.

  4. Creative Dingo Media - Discussion of SEO and Web Development » Archives » Shoemoney Extorted By Corrupt DMOZ Editor says:

    […] Shoemoney received a email from a self proclaimed DMOZ editor, stating: A while back I got a email from a guy claiming to be a DMOZ editor saying that I had to pay him $5,000.00 or he would have my site: shoemoney.com removed from the dmoz. […]

  6. Hahaha! Good idea.

    Seriously though, I agree. Google needs to dump DMOZ and lets move on. And whats the deal with the pagerank?

  7. I didn’t realise that your blog was in there – wasnt there issue with one particular editor not wanting it in there a while ago ?

  8. DMOZ is corrupt and the data which google uses also not accurate. It is high time google must have its own directoy.

  9. People always claim it’s near impossible to get accepted now but my site got in there and my friend has like 10 in there.

    I think with people like that DMOZ will become more n more corrupt n lose it’s cult status, therefore making acceptance in there lose importance.

    To be honest I never saw why it was a big deal anyway, there is no need for DMOZ.

    N Shoemoney I don’t see why you need it man, traffic, value? what value does a listing have for shoemoney.com, you already have 10,000 subscribers + and people always visit. You have a great design and good posts, forget DMOZ. $5,000 HA!

  10. Why don’t you reveal who this person was and get him dumped from the editorial team

  11. Although the stock of DMOZ has probably dropped like 90% over the last 5 years, paid inclusion directories don’t seem like the answer to me because so many webmasters will not sign up.

    I think a possible answer would be a Directory with a Social Component involved where people can either click a ‘spam’ button or do a Digg-style thumbs up/down thing.

    You can see the effect of this by looking at Craigslist. Five years ago they were very lenient on spam but are now cracking down. If they hadn’t done this CL would have been 75% affiliate links and webmaster spam.

  13. I read somewhere that the gambling and porn sections in DMOZ are controlled by organized crime.

  14. […] happen today to Shoemoney, his site was been removed by the one of DMOZ editor when he refused to pay $5000.00. Like Shoe, […]

  15. If you were in the DMOZ, what category would you be under? Certainly not anything related to making money online, since all you seem to post about these days is off-topic junk.

  17. I’m shocked, can’t you just make his email public to DMOZ staff or present this, I’d really like that ****** nailed!

  19. Yeah, I have cared less and less for the Dmoz. Shoe, post his email and get him kicked out, that is absolutely shocking to say the least.

  20. Well this is bad news. I tried to get into Dmoz just yesterday.If they come up for some monies, I’ll just get-out of it. Thanks for the report…

  23. You get enough offers to add sites for $$$ to DMOZ (I’ve been offered money plenty of times) you realize that there are surely going to be lots of editors who will take it. SOme of those corrupt editors would realize that given the amount of monetary offers they get, surely some websites could be pushed into paying.

    PS probably a hacked account anyway

  24. […] I didn’t expect their editor would resort to distortion for some quick bucks though… read the full story from Shoemoney. […]

  25. That’s insane man! $5K for a feakin listing that would bring you like 10 visitors a month?! I’m glad I never went through the process of even putting my website listing in there.

    Punks!

  26. Share the info he gave you, paypal or whatever it was so he can be tracked down.

  28. Well Shoe is a gazillionaire so why not shoot for the stars if your going to make demands 🙂

  29. Do you think Google will read this and put you back in? How many editors work on your specific section? Dont only a few people have access to each section of the DMOZ, making it easy to narrow down who it could have been?

  30. DMOZ has been a pain to deal with for so long that it isn’t worth it any more. You’re right – Google does need to drop it. DMOZ is dead…

  31. This is why human edited things should be edited by the masses, not by 10 people.

  36. That’s riduculous! All this hub-bub about paid links and Google is still using DMOZ! Makes me think the same guys doing the extortion are Google employees. Might as well go to the W3C supporters page where you can get a permanent PR9 link for only 1K.

  37. […] a farvi desistere dall’idea di inserire il vostro sito in Dmoz, ecco il colpo di grazia. In questo articolo di ShoeMoney, Jeremy Schoemaker, fondatore del sito e guru del business online, racconta di essere stato […]

  39. I dont even bother submitting my sites there.. Anyways it is not going to get listed 😐 and I am not rich enough to pay 5K lol..

  42. […] says he got an e-mail a while back from a guy who claimed to be a DMOZ editor and that he had to pay $5,000 or else shoemoney.com would be removed from […]

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  45. Damn that guy’s got some ballz! Go get him Shoe – turn him in and expose DMOZ for the corrupt dinosaur it is! Keep us posted – please.

  46. […] Shoe money a világ egyik legjobban keresÅ‘ bloggere, írja le a blogjában, hogy hogyan lett megzsarolva egy Dmoz szekrkesztÅ‘ által, majd eltávolítva a blogja miután komolytalannak vette a zsarolást és nem fizette ki az $5,000 összeget. Az eset hihetetlennek hangzik, de a poszt komolynak tűnik. Az egész ügyön túl, lassan ideje lesz a Google-nak tényleg átgondolnia a Dmoz iránti nagy bizalmat. Magyar Dmoz-al sem a legjobbak a tapasztalatok, finoman fogalmazva, legjellemzÅ‘bb kérdés magyar fórumokon, amit most én is megkérdeznék: Neked sikerült már regisztrálnod weboldaladat a Dmoz-ban? […]

  47. it’s funny in my opinion… screw them. You have your loyal fan base. Like you need the dmoz??? You should post this clown’s email address and have us flood him with spam.

  48. That is so shady and should be blog about to get the word out how corrupt they are. I will add a post to my blog at

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  50. Last I checked, extortion was still illegal. This is the kind of thing that could take down DMOZ … and THAT’s linkbait!

  52. Ever heard the saying two wrongs dont make a right. You cant condemn someone for doing something bad and then spam them, that would solve nothing.

  53. If your friends at Google aren’t ready to dump DMOZ, perhaps they *are* ready to pressure DMOZ to help get a prosecutor involved and make a high-profile case against the “editor” responsible for the problem. Go over DMOZ’s head to Google.

  56. It’s time to crack down this organization. I’ve tried to submit some interesting no-profit organizations and even some customer sites but i’ve never received an answer. It’s funny that it’s full of cellphones tones 1-page sites and they won’t accept an art collective.

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    […] 近来发生的两件事似乎从另一侧面验证了我们这种“不厚道”的猜测，先是方舟子质疑中文维基管理员、编辑的中立性——当然，这与SEO无关，不过考虑到如今越来越多的Black Hat SEO转战维基百科，也许很快便会有类似的事件出现在SEO领域——引发一番风波；今天又看到ShoeMoney称因其未满足某自称DMOZ编辑者$5,000的要求而导致shoemoney.com被DMOZ删除的事件，尽管目前仅仅为一面之辞，也许其被DMOZ删除缘于其他原因，但还是很让人吃惊，当然，也很搞笑。 […]

  58. for real i have to agree. DMOZ sucks…. But u are not the first to report of bribery within DMOZ as i saw a post somehwere guy would get u listed in dmoz for 100 bucks…

  60. Ya, unfortunately that W3C link isn’t permanent, it’s for one year. Plus, its nofollow…

  61. […] has a post today that highlights how bad the situation with DMOZ is. He got an email from an ‘editor’ who wanted $5k or his DMOZ listing would be […]

  62. I can’t find any evidence that you were ever listed anywhere in the ODP – – and I have looked back through the last two years at archive.org and several mirrors and data-users.

    Which category was it supposedly listed in then?

  63. Shoe, I hate DMOZ editors for doing stuff like this… Could you drop me a line telling me who it was, perhaps I can help. Looking at your URL in my editors account, it has a red by Jim Noble, based on this thread.

    which does make me think you asked for it 😛 but seriously: this sucks. Drop me a line and I’ll do what I can to help out.

  65. I’ve been a DMOZ editor in the past and, quite frankly, maybe had two or three actual submissions come my way. The vast majority of my edits came from tracking down political candidates on my own and getting them to give me their web address when they went live.

    I’ve also had my site listed, though I can’t ever recall receiving a hit from it. So I always figured the value of a DMOZ listing was that it would get you in the search engines faster not actually bring you visitors.

    I think in a lot of cases, the reasons people aren’t listed is the fact that there are so many categories without current editors that there is no one to look at it. Demanding any form of payment or editing with a vendetta, though, is definitely across the line.

  66. Since they use volunteer “section editors,” is it possible you hit a rouge?

  69. Active communities — digg, blogs, wikipedia, newspapers, all surely play a larger role in the life of common internet users than directories. Yes, they can and are gamed. The difference is there is oversight and transparency.

    Dmoz should have all of their editors personal information made public along with an edit history. Without that, there is no accountability.

  72. […] was browsing digitalpoint when i was catching a break from my daily hassle of a life,  and i read Jeremy’s blog and i was shcoked to read that he was being extorted by a DMOZ editor, i mean if he had picked on a […]

  74. I totaly Agree. They need to discredit DMOZ and not count their pr transfer. I mean serously its empossible in most cases to get listed unless you know someone and are probaly buying your way in. Atleast yahoo and BOTW upfront tell you to pay and they have paid editors to give you a fair review.

  75. DMOZ Gets Ugly…

    Today over at Shoemoney, Shoe relates a story where a DMOZ editor contacted him and wanted $5000 or he would remove Shoe’s listing in DMOZ! Pretty pathetic. Unfortunately, when Shoe told him to take a hike, he got delisted!
    I wonder how much mone…

  77. That’s why he didn’t pay… I can’t seem to get my site in but I’ve been doing fine without it. It’s one of those legacy things that everyone put on a pedestal that has since lost its luster and now it’s credibility.

  78. […] das wollen wir jetzt wirklich nicht verallgemeinern. Das was Shoemoney in seinem Blog berichtet wird sicherlich nur einer von wenigen Fällen sein. Korruption im DMOZ ist aber nichts […]

  80. $5,000 could buy a ton of links worth more than dmoz. They don’t pass that much PR, and they sure don’t send any business (unless a site just targets SEOs/web marketers) Smart move telling them to take a walk.

  83. What a load of crap! Can they really do this? Talk about losing credibility. Piss on ’em.

  85. […] you guys haven’t seen the latest post over at Shoemoney.com Blog, take a look. A while back I got a email from a guy claiming to be a […]

  86. […] not sure if it’s just one guy or the whole project, but something’s definitely up with DMOZ. A while back I got a email from a guy claiming to be a DMOZ editor saying that I had to […]

  87. These reeks of bullshit.

    1. Can you please show your original dmoz entry?

    2. Why not post the email address so the great community can flush this out?

    If you don’t do either of these then I’m afraid it appears that you are making this up to discredit dmoz (more so than it does itself).

  88. […] email in cui il sedicente editor informava il nostro Jeremy di aver tolto shoemoney.com da DMOZ e chiedeva se avesse cambiato idea sulla sua proposta di 5000 dollari per […]

  89. Wow! I can’t believe they are so shady like that! So it really was someone connected to the sight attempting to extort you! That is pretty messed up…

    Does anybody really even use that site??

    — Raymond

  91. I’ve always known that DMOZ was corrupt. How many people become a DMOZ editor just so they can turn down the sites of their competitors?

    But asking you for 5k just so you can keep your listing is despicable. I wish Google would throw DMOZ in the sandbox and lock the lid.

  92. Wow! I heard a lot about that but never thought it is so real. Google makes mistake by keeping DMOZ as autheritative source. However we all know that things won’t be changed so fast…sad truth.

  93. I have submitted a huge number of real content sites, good stuff, and none of the got into the DMOZ directory, while in the same categories there were geocities page loaded with crap banners etc
    the thing that “anybody” could become an editor was too big of an occasion for site owners to refuse their competitors submissions
    I don’t give a sh*t about DMOZ listings

  97. Shit show thats a bit rough.

    I also can’t believe that google still uses Dmoz! As you say, time to get a pay for inclusion directory

  98. Directories such as DMOZ and ZEAL are editor based. Anyone can become an editor. This extortion attempt has nothing to do with DMOZ but is most likely someone who has passed the tests necessary to become an editor (I was an editor at 1 point on ZEAL but stopped doing it).

    You should report the matter to DMOZ they should have logs on what editor deleted the link and they should be removed for abusing their position.

  99. I have often wondered about the validity of DMOZ. I have tried for several years to get three of my websites accepted into the DMOZ directory. I have followed their guidelines to the letter and have done everything they suggest and no response. No response to inquiries either.

    Maybe the future of search isn’t going to be with the Big Three. Could it be we will see the evolution of search move toward smaller industry and topic related directories.

    What do you think?

  100. […] Der Jojo berichtet aktuell über eine Erpressungs Story. Angeblich sollte Shoemoney für den Verbleib eines Eintrage zu ihm im Open Directoy Projekt 5000 $ bezahlen. Näheres dazu findet ihr in seinem Blog. […]

  102. This is the first that I’ve heard of bribery as well. I can’t say that I’m surprised though, go figure with a “human edited” free inclusion directory.

  103. It depens on the editor. If you find a category with an active editor you have a better chance of getting in. If you not it can take months or never…

  104. I have been in dmoz for like 2 months now, and i get not traffic from this site. I have had about 5 visitors in the last 2 months. It’s definatly not worth it to pay for this.

  105. I think it would definatly be a good idea for shoemoney to expose this loser.

  106. You’re crazy for paying that. DMOZ has never sent me $50 worth of traffic. Let alone the $5000 shoe was asked to pay

  107. That’s true they should be able to check logs and see who made the mod, hopefully the keep history of what their staff does… unless this is normal for DMOZ and they just don’t care ..

  111. […] According to a new thread by Jeremy Shoemaker (Shoe money) it appears DMOZ Extortion does exist: Dmoz Extortion What does everyone think? __________________ KBK Marketing | Jaan Kanellis Search Marketing […]

  112. That sucks, but I can’t say it’s really all that surprising – DMOZ corruption is rampant, the directory itself is in shambles lacking proper management (Porn sites in local church directories for example – repeatedly reported)

    Anyways – sorry ot hear Shoemoney.com was removed – definately ridiculous 🙁

  113. That person may have just been waiting for yours to be removed, and then claim it was him/her who did it. However, I don’t see any reason to remove your site. I am yet to get listed out of several sites I own over the last several years. I couldn’t care less about DMOZ now.

  116. […] Did a Dmoz editor kick Shoemoney out of the directory because he wouldn’t pay a $5k ransom note? […]

  121. DMOZ is useless. Has been for some time. It was destroyed by the editors. Google doesnt even update its directory anymore, the results there are a year old.

  123. Hi everybody, the site owner of shoemoney.com will never publish the proof that a dmoz editor tried to bribe him. It has never happened. Jus read the disclaimer before posting:

    “You should assume everything written on this blog is a lie. You should assume I have motivation for linking to everything on this page and will benefit from it somehow. You should assume I am no better then you are and your opinion has just as much weight as mine. You should question everything. You should come up with your own thoughts and opinions and not trust some stupid blogger.”

    By the way, do you trust this website has ever been listed at dmoz.org?

  124. That is nuts. I cant believe it?? You are right though. Instead of Google paying all this money for services they never get to, why not look into a better option as far as a directory is concerned?

  127. WOW, I thought it was a joke at first too. But DMOZ extorting money? I can’t believe it, it is about time to screw off with them, drop them!

  130. WOW! This is the first time I have heard of DMOZ editors being corrupt and extorting someone. Are we reaching the Internet’s Doomsday? Or are we already there!

  131. That’s why one of my authority sites never got into DMOZ. I also received a similar email from a DMOZ editor who’s asked for cash to include my authority site into DMOZ.

    I said go scre** yourself, and he sent me an email saying: “Forget DMOZ Forever”.

    Who cares about DMOZ other than Google?

  133. Mans Bags Manbag Menbags Men Bags Man Bag Handbags for men » Blog Archive » A Corrupt DMOZ Editor says:

    […] Shoemaker reports that he was blackmailed into paying for staying in the DMOZ.org open directory (which is usually free to be […]

  136. Has anyone actually had any sites accepted into Dmoz in like the last year? I thought it had died.

  137. […] Jojo berichtet, sollte SchoeMoney 5.000 USD bezahlen, damit sein Eintrag im DMOZ bleiben durfte. Er zahlte natürlich nicht, […]

  138. I couldn’t agree more. BOTW has all the values and ethics that DMOZ proclaims to have.

  140. […] Shoemaker reports that he was blackmailed into paying for staying in the DMOZ.org open directory (which is usually free to be […]

  142. I just did a couple months ago, but it took forever. I forgot about it by the time I got accepted

  143. […] Bad DMOZ and Jeremy is correct when suggesting Google to buy Best of the Web as a paid inclusion directory. […]

  144. […] que Shoemoney revela ter sido vítima de extorsão por parte do editor da área do DMOZ em que ele tinha o blog cadastrado. O sujeito exigiu o […]

  145. Is it time for a better Dmoz like directory? Would webmasters pay to be included in a more relevant directory? I know I would.

  148. […] selbst bin seit Jahren DMOZ-Editor in 6 verschiedenen Kategorien. Nachdem es gerade in einigen Blogs die Diskussion gibt, ob DMOZ-Editoren korrupt sind, bekomme ich gerde zufällig folgende E-Mail […]

  149. I heard someone say to someone at SES San Jose that they could “make a Wikipedia page say anything for $60,000”

    Sounds kinda like this except in reverse…

  150. […] My next rant is DMOZ;  I have been  saying that DMOZ is rubbish for years.  And finally the corruption has come full circle with Shoemoney’s post.  I have […]

  151. […] Dmoz Extortion, ShoeMoney […]

  153. I hear the ODP bans any site that ever offers *them* a bribe to list a site. There are records in forums that suggest you tried to pay to get the site listed. If that is the case, then it would never be listed.

  156. Nothing you can do when there are rogue elements… just kind of strange that they’d come back after the fact and say “ha ha!” Makes you wonder how important it must be if you ddin’t notice in the first place.

  159. […] Shoemoney has just revealed the extortion attempt he suffered from a DMOZ editor, who threatened to remove his link from the directory if he didn’t pay $5,000. Shoemoney didn’t pay, taking that email for a scam, and his link was indeed removed. […]

  161. […] Round :: ShoeMoney posted about the DMOZ extortion email that he received. As many times as I read that getting listed in DMOZ was essential for new […]

  163. […] Schoemaker reports that he was blackmailed into paying for staying in the DMOZ.org open directory (which is usually free to be […]

  164. […] just read a blog post from ShoeMoney that made my head spin. He said he got an email from an editor at DMOZ which demanded $5,000 or his site would be de-listed. He ignored the email and a few days later the […]

  165. […] an ODP editor a few years ago),  the scales of biased inclusions have been tipping. Look at this account of bribery that happened to Shoemoney. He lost his site listing because he didn’t pay the $5000 ransom to the rogue editor. […]

  166. […] Meta Editors I just read a blog post from ShoeMoney that made my head spin. He said he got an email from an editor at DMOZ which demanded $5,000 or his site would be de-listed. He ignored the email and a few days later the […]

  168. […] reason behind shoemoney.com Dmoz extorsion has to do with corruption. Yes, the web and sometimes the most well know internet directory […]

  169. […] Corrupted DMOZ editors? […]

  170. $5000 bribe to remain in DMOZ?…

    According to Shoemoney:

    A while back I got a email from a guy claiming to be a DMOZ editor saying that I had to pay him $5,000.00 or he would have my site: shoemoney.com removed from the dmoz.
    I th……

  171. So you’ve bribed dmoz editor before? No wonder you got that email (even if it’s unrelated to shoemoney)

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    […] Shoemoney foi intimidado pela DMOZ em como teria de pagar $5,000 dólares se quisesse que o seu site […]

  173. […] weekend I was reading about Shoemoney being extorted by a DMOZ editor. I thought: heck, I’m a DMOZ editor, I don’t want to be associated with stuff like […]

  174. […] Schoemaker reports that he was blackmailed into paying for staying in the DMOZ.org open directory (which is usually free to be […]

  175. People have been talking about this kind of thing for the last 5 years. I am glad someone with your popularity, wrote about it. Maybe now, someone will do something about it.

  176. […] of money, Shoemoney claims he’s been extorted by a DMOZ Editor. The editor wants $5,000 or else he’d remove […]

  177. » Show heute fällt leider aus | seoFM - der erste deutsche PodCast für SEOs und Online-Marketer says:

    […] Jeremy´s erschütternde DMOZ Story und die nächste noch viel krassere Story von Joost […]

  178. As an actual DMOZ editor, this is bull crap. I became an editor a couple years ago and I’ve seen first hand that it’s corrupt and most editors don’t seem to care too much about it . Except to help out friends/themselves and abuse their power considering it is so significant in google.

    The whole process of becoming an editor is so difficult and time consuming and considering the horrible maintenance and state of DMOZ you’d think they’d be a little more open for help. Even once becoming an editor, trying to get approved for another category is really retarded.

  179. I have to agree with some previous comments. Not that I am glad this happened to Shoe Money, but I am glad that you have the clout to broadcast out about the corruption that now seems to define the DMOZ.

  180. […] I have to admit, i’d never heard of Alive Directory before now.. there are so many directory services out there that many go undiscovered. I guess the biggest/most famous is DMOZ, but it’s been riddled with problems and scandals of late – Just ask Shoemoney […]

  181. Well, according to that, the site’s only listing was deleted in April. If Jeremy says he only got the email telling him it was removed on August 26, that should tell you something. If it was an editor who was trying to scam you, then why not turn them in by posting their details here or reporting them?

  184. Further proof of Dmoz corrupt nature, and to think Dmoz editors are still today trying to defend the thing. Only a matter of time before it’s wound up.

  185. […] Check out the full post, and the comments over at Shoemoney. […]

  186. DMOZ is corrupt. It is the exact opposite of transparency and openness.

    My friend, a well-respected professional in his field, was an editor at DMOZ for over *8* years, nearly from the start. One day he went to login and found his account locked out. (He logged in weekly or every other week.) He had something like 4,000 adds, 3,000 deletes, and over 9,000 edits to his account. He’s as ethical an individual I’ve ever met.

    Seems as though one of the disputes about a where a website should be included got someone higher-up upset. And they just decided unilaterally to remove him as an editor. No warning, no system in place to defend oneself, just a unilateral decision that his efforts were no longer needed.

    When asked for information, details, anything that might help him understand what had happened, he was met with stony silence. He got one form reply saying his account was permanently locked out and he shouldn’t bother trying to re-apply.

    There’s nobody to complain to. Nobody cares. This was over 2 years ago, he’s moved on, but I’ll never forget how upset he was that nobody treated him like a simple human being and talked to him about whatever the problem was before they decided to close his account.

    So yeah, seeing this happen is not surprising. DMOZ must be run by the inmates these days.

  187. DMOZgate - ShoeMoney, Extortion, and Disappearing Listings at Affiliate Marketing Blog by Shawn Collins says:

    […] a big DMOZ (Open Directory) kerfuffle going on at Jeremy Schoemaker’s ShoeMoney blog over an alleged extortion attempt by a DMOZ editor. A while back I got a email from a guy claiming to be a DMOZ editor saying that I had to pay him […]

  189. […] Schoemaker, who most of you probably know as Shoemoney, recently revealed that he has been the target of a corrupt DMOZ editor. Basically, he was told by the editor that he would have to pay $5000 to keep his ODP listing. […]

  190. Shoemoney ถูกรีดไถจาก Editor ของ DMOZ says:

    […] Jeremy Schoemaker หรือที่รู้จักกันในนามของ Shoemoney ได้ประกาศภายในบล็อกว่าเขาได้รับอีเมล์จากบุคคลนิรนามที่อ้างตัวเป็น Editor ของเว็บไดเร็กทอรี่ขนาดใหญ่อย่าง Dmoz ซึ่งเนื้อความในอีเมล์นั้นได้กล่าวว่านาย Shoemoney จะต้องจ่ายเงินเป็นจำนวนถึง $5,000 เพื่อที่จะให้รายชื่อเว็บไซต์ยังคงอยู่ในสารบบ ODP (Open Directory Project) จากเรื่องนี้ทำให้ภายในเว็บไซต์ DigitalPoint เกิดการพูดถึงกันอย่างมากเกี่ยวกับเรื่องนี้ ซึ่งหลายๆคนในนั้นได้ให้ความเห็นว่า การที่ได้อยู่ภายใน Dmoz นั้นไม่ได้เกิดประโยชน์แต่อย่างใดเนื่องจากเป็นเว็บไดเร็กทอรี่ธรรมดา แต่อย่างไรก็ตามก็มีอีกหลายๆคนให้ความเห็นว่ายังมีกลุ่มบุคคลอีกจำนวนมากที่ให้ความสำคัญกับรายชื่อเว็บไซต์ภายใน Dmoz ไดเร็กทอรี่ รวมทั้ง Google ก็เช่นกัน […]

  191. […] On a side note, Jeremy over at Shoemoney.com wrote a post about  a recent experience he had with a DMOZ editor, check out DMOZ Extortion […]

  192. […] kurzer Zeit geistert dieser Beitrag durch die Blogosphäre. Shoemoney behauptet dort, dass ihn jemand der sich als jemand von DMOZ […]

  194. Jim Kukral - Marketing Ideas Online » Blog Archive » Google Should Come Out & Publicly Dump DMOZ says:

    […] the Shoemoney story. dmoz editor, Search Engine Marketing, ShoemoneyHi, and thanks for visiting my marketing ideas […]

  195. […] er jedenfalls keinen vorgelegt. Und solange er das nicht macht, ist es in meinen Augen nur ein ganz simpler Linkbait von einem professionellen […]

  196. True story:

    A competitor of my company actually controlled a major category in DMOZ for some years. I’m sure it shocks all to know that none of our clients who belonged in that category ever made it in, regardless of site quality or personal reputation.

    DMOZ is snake-oil. Stale snake-oil.

  197. Exactly what do you think Google is paying for? They use the directory data for free, just like you and I can. They aren’t paying anything for it.

  198. I had no idea that DMOZ was so shady. I guess that is why I don’t pay it any mind. Anyway, is there a name associated with the extortioner? You could use the power of this blog to turn everything up a notch by exposing the crook.

  199. HELM, WHM/cPanel, Windows, Linux and SEO Blog » Blog Archive » SearchCap: The Day In Search, August 27, 2007 says:

    […] Dmoz Extortion, ShoeMoney […]

  201. Well, nobody seems interested in the truth here. Just another chance to slam DMOZ editors. Of course we will never see any proof of the email, since it does not exist. For the record, the site was never listed (it had already been banned for the attempted bribary attempt). Back in the spring a link to the sites feed was listed in error. This was removed about a month later through normal QA processes. Funny then that this “corrupt” editor did not get around to sending the alleged email until August? I’m sure shoemoney.com will make a few $$ from the libelous statements, however.

  202. » DMOZ - Still Sucks and Now with Extortion! » SEOpittfall » Archive - Search Engine Optimization by pittfall! says:

    […] Case in point: Shoemoney.com (if you are not familiar, I suggest you stop by), was removed from the “almighty” directory after being approached through an email expecting a payout of $5,000 to remain in the directory. The response, nothing, is something that I would have done myself. However, not long after, the website was removed. […]

  203. DMOZ is the largest human-edited directory on the Web and has always been free of charge. Our community strives for openness and transparency. We actively seek to maintain a volunteer editorial community with high integrity and promote open feedback processes to maintain these standards.

    We take reports like this very seriously and would appreciate your help in bringing them to our attention. If at any time an editor remarks that you need to pay to be part of the DMOZ directory, let us know. This behavior will NOT be tolerated by ODP/DMOZ. Any information about any abusive incidents will be handled immediately.

    We hope you’ll come forward with the data to substantiate your claim and look forward to helping in any way possible.

    Bob Keating – Managing Editor of DMOZ

  204. DMOZ is the largest human-edited directory on the Web and has always been free of charge. Our community strives for openness and transparency. We actively seek to maintain a volunteer editorial community with high integrity and promote open feedback processes to maintain these standards.

    We take reports like this very seriously and would appreciate your help in bringing them to our attention. If at any time an editor remarks that you need to pay to be part of the DMOZ directory, let us know. This behavior will NOT be tolerated by ODP/DMOZ. Any information about any abusive incidents will be handled immediately.

    DMOZ has several ways to report this type of abuse on the site, go to http://report-abuse.dmoz.org/ to fill out the form and I will contact you directly.

    We hope you’ll come forward with the data to substantiate your claim and look forward to helping in any way possible.

    Bob Keating – managing editor of DMOZ

  206. DMOZ is as corrupt as it can be. I have been submitting quality websites for years now, with no success, and I have a friend that has a joke of a website that got approved in a few months. That site has only stolen content and a crappy design. I had to ask him : “So … how much did you pay for that listing ?”. He replied honestly : “You can pay for listings ??”. I don’t know who is more clueless : him, or the editor who approved his site

  207. Does dmoz have an 800 number you can call to request being shook down? I’m ready to call.

    Not only have I waited for more than the past year for them to review my submission, I’ve also noticed that time seems to have frozen on their index; they seem to be ignoring everyone that came up in the last two years that should be included in the category we’re trying to get into.

  208. […] Big Story According to ShoeMoney, he was approached by an editor of DMOZ saying that if he didn’t pay the editor $5,000.00, […]

  209. […] por sus altos ingresos en AdSense, algo así como 140 mil dólares al mes. El hecho es que Jeremy acaba de hacer público un asunto de corrupción dentro de Dmoz, cosa que se sospecha desde que estar listado en ese directorio es un factor importante para […]

  210. […] Il blogger non ha pagato (giustamente) e il link è stato rimosso dall’editor. Potete leggere tutti i dettagli della storia sul suo blog. […]

  211. Linkbait von Shoemoney « Shoemoney, Seite, Blog, Kategorie, Seiten, ODP-Editor, Posting, Schoemaker « SEO Scene says:

    […] durch einige SEO-Blogs geht, gebe ich auch an dieser Stelle mal meinen Senf dazu Es geht um die Behauptung von Shoemoney in seinem Blog, von einem ODP-Editor erpresst worden zu sein: 5000 Dollar oder die Seite würde gelöscht. […]

  212. […] this whole situation with DMOZ will prove that. About a week ago Shoemoney wrote a post about DMOZ corruption, and I tend to believe him (as I said above, it has seen better days, but it’s far from being […]

  213. nice rant, but erhm …. could you possibly post the original email (with full headers) so we can actually verify what has been said and by who?
    this is a heavy accusation and as posted here totally without evidence …

    btw your link to archive.org doesn’t seem to work either …. that particular page is unavailable and whatever is earlier than that doesn’t seem to have your site in it …

    simply the whole thing would be a lot more believable if you would post the full email correspondence

  215. […] Corrupted DMOZ editors? […]

  216. So far, the details of this story do not match the records in the dmoz logs. There are a lot of conclusions being reached here with little evidence to support them. It is truly unfortunate that every time (in my experience at least) someone makes a big deal about dmoz corruption, the details of the story don’t check out. Dmoz corruption does exist, I know it and I’ve seen it. But I personally don’t believe it takes the form of “pay me $5000.00 or I’ll pull your site.”

    That sounds more like a practical joke or fanciful invention than an actual attempt at a bribe. Particularly when the site in question had been delisted months before these events are said to have occurred.

    xixtas
    (I speak only for myself. My opinions should not be taken as any kind of official ODP statement.)

  217. […] hot topic of the week is Jeremy Shoemaker, aka Shoemoney, being extorted by a Dmoz […]

  218. 谷歌治印 Google Blogoscoped 中文版 » 腐败的DMOZ编辑 says:

    […] Jeremy Schoemaker报告说他被一个DMOZ的编辑勒索，后者要求他为他的网站在DMOZ.org的位置支付金钱（这本来应该是免费的）： […]

  219. […] all likelihood riddled with—corruption, just like the rest of the intarwebs. Jeremy Shoemaker writes about his experience with a DMOZ editor attempting to extort five grand out of him or else shoemoney.com would be […]

  220. […] directorio. Ahora, Jeremy Shoemaker (una de las personas que públicamente más gana con AdSense) asegura esta semana que el editor de DMOZ encargado de la categoría donde se encuadra su blog le escribió para […]

  221. Affiliate Business Cash » Blog Archive » DMOZgate - ShoeMoney, Extortion, and Disappearing Listings says:

    […] a big DMOZ (Open Directory) kerfuffle going on at Jeremy Schoemaker’s ShoeMoney blog over an alleged extortion attempt by a DMOZ editor. A while back I got a email from a guy claiming to be a DMOZ editor saying that I had to pay him […]

  222. I didn’t get to read all of the posts, but (as I am known for stating publicly), I am amazed that two corporate entities entrust this debacle of a web site and stake their reputations on it. AOL – well, whatever. But Google – come on folks, I know they have the bankroll to do it, and as you suggest, they could even charge for listings and make it profitable.

    My advice, contact your journalist contacts and try to find one that will expose AOL’s dark side. Maybe that will get some action.

    – OldSchool

  223. Bob, give me a break. Unless you live under a rock, this cannot be the first time you have heard of this. Sorry for you that you are associated with such a corrup bunch of folks.

  224. […] Jeremy Shoemaker (una de las personas que públicamente más gana con AdSense) asegura esta semana que el editor de DMOZ encargado de la categoría donde se encuadra su blog le escribió para […]

  225. I think bribery’s been aroudn since before we’ve had currency.. it’s just in our nature to try to one up another human

  226. Wow wow wowwww link bait or actual problem!? I wonder what will end up giving you more RELEVANT links… this post.. or being included in the DMOZ?! 😛

  227. It’s controlled by a type of organized crime if their members are participating in extortion… that’s a given!

  228. Yea shoe – that link went down – is there another?! Or is this an even bigger conspiracy?!?! I love conspiracies.. keep it up!!

  229. […] se ha liado una buena porque al parecer uno de los editores le pidió a Shoemoney (uno de los SEO mas conocidos y famoso por sus cheques de Adsense) $5000 para mantenerlo en el […]

  230. I know just how poor shoe feels. When the dmoz people first started to ask for money I paid them. The the amounts kept getting progressively higher for each submission.

    Before long they wanted more than I was getting paid to make sites, and I failed to send a few checks. That’s when they delisted my sites across the board.

    If that wasn’t enough, they had my address from the checks I’d sent. Well, two guys showed up at my house asking my wife where I was. REALLY.

    Can you believe it? She was suspicious, but they persisted. Eventually they left, but they told her they were there to collect.

    The next day I got back from a trip… and my dog and two of my kids had been killed. All I can say, if they keep this kind of stuff up, someone’s liable to report them!

    LOL. God I love you guys. There isn’t a lie so big you wouldnt swallow if it pertains to dmoz. This bozo has duped people without so much as offering a shred of evidence, and though Dmoz staff offered to remove the editors, he STILL has no evidence.

    If they had a Special Olympics for gullibility, anyone that believes Shoemaker ought to get a Gold Medal.

  231. Its Really Bad .. someone told me this earlier BUT today through axandra i come to know about this…. Really Bad for Webmasters

  232. Well regardless if it’s true or not the story is being carried on in case .. http://dmoz.org.suckered.us

    I personally had a run in with a few gang mentality dmoz editors today and not very impressed by their lack of tact.

  234. […] da ricordo chi dell’estorsione perpetrata da un editore di DMOZ ai danni di un noto […]

  235. […] Napolux fa le sue considerazioni su Dmoz e sul presunto caso di estorsione effettuato da un editor della famosa directory ai danni di Shoemoney. […]

  236. […] In particular there has been a long running thread over at Joost De Valk’s blog regarding DMoz, where a number of quite respected Search Marketeers and Dmoz editors have been involved in a sometimes quite heated debate. This followed of the initial post by Jeremy Shoemaker (aka Shoemoney)’s post regarding DMoz. […]

  237. […] Matt, sono l’editore di DMOZ che ha chiesto 5000 dollari a Jeremy Schoemaker per mantenere il suo sito nella categoria dei blog riservati alle affiliazioni. […]

  238. […] importance of specificity in titles. 4. Interesting to see DMOZ directory is still in the world of blackmailing people for a spot in their directory. Its only a matter of time before Google drops these […]

  239. […] directorio. Ahora, Jeremy Shoemaker (una de las personas que públicamente más gana con AdSense) asegura esta semana que el editor de DMOZ encargado de la categoría donde se encuadra su blog le escribió para […]

  241. […] oder später in Korruption untergehen. Scheinbar ist der Zeitpunkt gekommen, liest man diese Posting in Zusammenhang mit dem hier. Share and Enjoy: Diese Icons verzweigen auf soziale Netzwerke bei […]

  243. Informatica e Internet » Nueva polémica por la posible corrupción de los editores de DMOZ says:

    […] Jeremy Shoemaker (una de las personas que públicamente más gana con AdSense) asegura esta semana que el editor de DMOZ encargado de la categoría donde se encuadra su blog le escribió para […]

  244. […] Korrupte Editoren bei DMOZ – Der allseits beliebte Shoemoney wurde aus dem DMOZ geschmissen weil er keine 5.000$ zahlen wollte. Ein anderer Editor, der dem Fall auf den Grund gehen wollte, ist kurzerhand einfach gelöscht worden. […]

  245. […] explica en un post que un supuesto editor del directorio le escribió pidiéndole $5000 a cambio de no quitar su blog […]

  246. […] blackmail story goes that Jeremy Schoemaker AKA Shoemoney was recently approached by a DMOZ editor and asked to pay $5000 or find his site deleted from the DMOZ directory. He […]

  249. The weirdest thing is that a DMOZ editor really thinks that a DMOZ listing is worth anything nowadays….That’s is hilarious :)!

  251. there is no excuse for saying “DMOZ is corrupt” just because someone MAY have attempted to extort a bribe.

    If a fairly large group of police officers tried to extort money in exchange for favorable treatment, most people would say that the department as a whole needs an overhaul. I fail to see how this is different.

    I have seen dozens of payment exchanges for DMOZ listings on digital point and several freelance sites, and everyone seems satisfied at the end of the transaction so I have to assume that ALL of these dozens of links are getting into DMOZ. And these are not cheap — I have seen successful bids from $200 to $1500.

    Getting listed on DMOZ is an easy way to get out of the google “sandbox” and you tend to develop PR faster. I’ve never purchased links on DMOZ (and never had a page listed either), but after talking to quite a few people about their sandboxing experiences it seems that it does work.

    I understand completely why Shoemoney doesn’t post the email address. For one, he could face a fine under the CAN SPAM act (stupid but true). Also, he’s accusing someone of something that is unethical, so if he isn’t able to prove it in court he could face a major civil suit from the douchebag in question. And lastly it would push Shoemoney into pressing charges, which he may not want to do at this point. Let’s face it, court is a major headache for anyone.

    Honestly, I think that the disclaimer is an awesome idea because if anyone came out and said that shoemoney gave bad advice (or tried to sue or something stupid like that) he has an immediate out.

    Just my two cents.

    –Griffin

  252. […] has been a little corrupt lately. One of the editors just tried extorting $5000 from a site […]

  253. >>the disclaimer is an awesome idea because if anyone came out and said that shoemoney gave bad advice (or tried to sue or something stupid like that) he has an immediate out

  254. I truly hope the libel spouting jerk does get prosecuted. That so called “disclaimer” would be useless in any court of law.

    Where is this mythical “large group” of corrupt editors that everyone seems so sure exist? Take a closer look at any of these corruption claims and you will generally find:

    My site hasn’t been listed – so all editors are corrupt.

    I was removed as an editor, but I am innocent. So all editors are corrupt.

    I can’t get accepted as an editor so I can list my own site. So all editors are corrupt.

    And this one? HaHa. My name is Jeremy Schoemaker and don’t beleive anything you read on my Blog, but on August 26, 2007 I received a blah..blah..blah

  255. What the hell is this? Now I see why I was tryng to get there my sites without any success. I was trying to get there last 4 years with 5 different domains and never had any response.

  256. […] being extorted by a DMOZ editor.  I keep waiting for one of my sites being added to DMOZ for more than 3 […]

  257. […] SEO conocido por los abultados cheques de Adsense que consigue mensualmente, recibió una advertencia de un editor de Dmoz en el que se le pedía 5.000 dólares para que su blog no fuera eliminado del directorio. Desde que […]

  259. […] teoria dovrebbe essere così, però purtroppo non lo è! Shoemoney ha subito una vera e propria estorsione. 5.000 dollari per rimanere tra le directory! Di certo a me […]

  260. […] ShoeMoney posting recently about his Dmoz extortion experience, I thought I’d throw in my 2 cents too. I know, Dmoz is slowly losing its reputation, but […]

  261. […] ÄŒpÄ›lo to ve vzduchu už delší dobu, teď ale pÅ™iÅ¡el Jeremy Schoemaker (Shoemoney) s konkrétním obvinÄ›ním. Editor DMOZu po nÄ›m údajnÄ› chtÄ›l za ponechání webu v ODP 5 000 dolarů, pokud prý nezaplatí, zápis smaže. Shoemoney nezaplatil a editor udÄ›lal jak slíbil. Tedy podle Jeremyho verze. […]

  262. Shoemoney STILL hasn’t validated this linkbait story by providing Dmoz staff with the email he supposedly received. One might think he’d want the extortionist removed. Oh *surely* he wasn’t just lying?! LOL.
    .
    Anyone that believes anything he says after this needs a reality check. He hoodwinked a LOT of people with this extortion scam. There’s a fraud story here alright, but the culprit is named Schoemaker.

  263. […] Wenn ein Verzeichnis und seine Editoren derart viel Macht besitzen, braucht man sich nicht zu wundern, wenn es immer wieder harsche Kritiken hagelt, bis hin zu Korruptionsvorwürfen…. […]

  265. That’s so crazy. I wonder what his username on DMOZ is? There are probably only a handful of editors that can be in charge of that category so I bet their search won’t be too hard.

  266. It’s funny that the Dmoz editor forum is full of arsehole Dmoz editors all complaining about this thread, saying they should call Shoe’s bluff and that AOL legal should get involved and ‘bare it’s teeth for once’.

    Tossers. AOL couldn’t give a toss about Dmoz. Just because they own Dmoz doesn’t mean the moronic Dmoz editors are actually part of AOL, valued by AOL or even acknowledged as existing by AOL.

    Face it chumps, you’re all working for them for free, and they don’t even know you exist. The editor forums are a great read though, hilarious!

  267. Heh, Chris Guthrie, get with the program!

    There was no listing to be removed, as the site was banned from ever being listing in 2005.

    So, there is no editor to look for; there is nothing listed that could have been removed.

  268. Why are people so concerned about dmoz listings? I have never received a lot of traffic to begin with, so why would someone extort people?

    V

  269. I’m not surprised at the extortion part but at the amount – well maybe not, considering it’s shoemoney.com. DMOZ’s cronyistic incestuous editorial system is crap and should be junked. And this is coming from a guy whose site is listed.

  270. Hey douchebag…you shouldn’t speak on things you have no idea about. And change that freaky Freddie Mercury picture you’re using on Digital Point.

  272. Either we’re in the middle of an inflation, or the value of a DMOZ listing has gone way up. I remember the good ole days when $250.00 paypal did it. And that was before the days when senior editors started taking those off and re-editing categories,
    How much and whom do I have to pay to become an editor? Sounds like a good investment I might be willing to make.

  273. […] This cracked me up, because that editor must be having delusions of grandure or be a complete idiot to try to get Jeremy to send him 5k in order to keep his already popular site listed in DMOZ. Why would shoemoney pay that amount? I never thought I would say this but I don’t even care anymore. […]

  274. […] Apparently, they are corrupt and have extorted ShoeMoney. […]

  275. […] Bribing DMOZ editors. Or paying their extortion demands. […]

  276. […] Read the full article here. […]

  277. […] weekend I was reading about Shoemoney being extorted by a DMOZ editor. I thought: heck, I’m a DMOZ editor, I don’t want to be associated with stuff like that, […]

  278. […] One of the worst examples of recent DMOZ corruption was an editors attempt to extort $5000 dollars from Shoemoney. When Shoe didn’t pay it, his site was dropped from DMOZ. You can read about what happened here. […]

  279. You should publish that email id on this page itself.. He will be kicked out of DMOZ at least.. We need to kick out so many of such..

  280. […] the “fat” post and the “DMOZ” one have this disclaimer underneath them: “I am not a lawyer or an accountant. Any legal or […]

  281. […] Shoemaker auf seinem Blog mit einem Beitrag über das DMOZ für Aufsehen. Unter dem Titel DMOZ Extortion für einigen Wirbel – unterstellt er dem Säulenheiligen aller Social Bookmarking Sites […]

  282. […] interesting news is that Jeremy Shoemoney is furious that he got an email from a DMOZ editor asking for $5,000 to keep his listing on that […]

  283. I agree and really enjoy this discussion. In my opinion DMOZ is garbage and needs to be totally redone. Many of the sites are out dated and many of the editors are corrupt, lazy, non-exsistent. I am also not convinced that being listed on DMOZ is “all that” as some people will argue. DMOZ SHIMOZ….

  284. […] some of the editors will accept your website only if you pay them big cash. A nice example is when Shoemoney, was asked to pay 5000$ if he doesn’t want his link to be deleted. Of course, he didn’t pay and […]

  286. […] is Corrupted By now I’m sure you guys have heard that Shoemoney was blackmailed by a DMOZ editor. The editor told Shoemoney to give him $5k or his site was removed. Shoe didn’t […]

  287. […] para não remover o site da lista do diretório. Um dos casos mais conhecidos foi a do Jeremy Schoemakers que alegou exatamente […]

  288. Оптимизация черная и белая » Сказ про то как Google директорию Dmoz банил says:

    […] к обсуждению, чему способствовал преведущий скандал раздутый известным блогером Shoemoney. Если в кратце то […]

  289. […] mentioned before, last month, Shoemoney said that his site was removed from the directory after he refused to pay an extorting DMOZ editor. Then Joost de Valk, a DMOZ editor, tried to look into the allegations—and had his editorial […]

  290. […] problems didn’t stop there. For example, ShoeMoney was recently dropped from the directory because he refused to give a Dmoz editor $5,000. Marketing Pilgrim reported that when another Dmoz editor read about ShoeMoney’s problem he […]

  291. […] Shoe Money The strongest post with 1160 backlinks is Dmoz Extortion. […]

  292. […] Shoe Money The strongest post with 1160 backlinks is Dmoz Extortion. […]

  293. […] wrote about Open Directory Project (DMOZ) as a troubled directory with rogue editors extorting money on web site owners so their sites continue to get […]

  294. […] official blog but it’s too late no matter Google had dropped the link juice (SERP)! Fire all corrupt and suck editors immediately please! Related Posts Scrollovers – New Way for Linking Thank You […]

  295. […] is a lot of anti-sentiment in the webmaster community concerning DMOZ, particulary pertaining to alleged corruption between editors and webmasters looking to “buy” their way into a DMOZ […]

  296. […] 近日，Shoemoney的一篇博文-Dmoz Extortion引起了轩然大波。文中称DMOZ的某位编辑向Shoemoneyå‹’ç´¢5000美刀，否则将把Shoemoney的站从DMOZ索引中删除。Shoemeony当然不会给钱了，随后他发现自己的站真的在DMOZ目录中消失了。该文引发了数百条评论，许多SEO都指责DMOZ这种错误的行为。有一个DMOZ编辑向DMOZ询问关于为什么Shoemoney网站被删除，36个小时之内，他发现自己的编辑职位被取消了，没有任何邮件或者其他通知。事态发展的越来越严重了。 DMOZ因为免费，收录公正，索引网站质量都比较高而广受称赞，许多人不惜花重金请人提交目录，没想到现在出了这种丑闻。Google自身的Directory就是直接拷贝DMOZ的，在DMOZ登录的网站一般都会得到Google更多的偏爱，特别是新站，如果被收录了，排名会好非常非常多。 看来稍微有点权力就会使人腐败，古今中外皆然。 有人呼吁干脆把DMOZ也做成收费登录，有人建议Google放弃DMOZ这种所谓”人工编辑”的目录。Google对此会有什么态度？ 抛开DMOZ某些编辑的丑恶行为。 我有两个站在DMOZ登录了，虽然没有流量，但也算是一个高质量的链接。如果DMOZ收费，只要价格合理，比如和Yahoo差不多，我还是会选择登录的。如果DMOZ被Google放弃了，对我来说应该是一个比较大的损失。所以我希望DMOZ能有高层站出来澄清整个事件，并惩罚某些破坏分子，挽回DMOZ的声誉。 […]

  298. […] think, this is part of the Google’s move against buying links. To let you know, ShoeMoney’s blog is removed from the directory by an editor because Schoe failed to pay him $5,000. A while back I got a email […]

  299. […] silent while bloggers have been exposing the ‘volunteer’ editors of their directory for extortion and charging site owners to approve their listings in the super valuable […]

  300. […] own official blog . In their first post they say that DMOZ is still alive with all its editors (ofcourse we know that) […]

  301. […] open directory project aka dmoz is known for being corrupt you just have to read shoemoney’s post here about the editor of dmoz demanded $5k or he would remove Shoemoney’s […]

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  306. […] official blog but it’s too late no matter Google had dropped the link juice (SERP)! Fire all corrupt and suck editors immediately please! Share […]

  307. […] έτυχε στον Jeremy και το δημοσίευσε στο blog του με τίτλο Dmoz corruption (σε λίγες μέρες αυτό το άρθρο θα βγαίνει πρώτο στα […]

  309. […] the lying going on at Wikipedia?  And Jason Calcanis accusing Alexa of being 100% wrong.  Plus, Shoemoney exposed a DMOZ editor for attempting to bribe him (but that’s not a new issue, it’s happened to every other […]

  310. […] you choose only one directory choose DMOZ. It’s rumored to be corrupt now(Shoemoney was recently extorted by an editor) but you can at least submit your site. If you’re lucky you won’t get a corrupt editor […]

  311. […] Then takes bribes to list certain sites. Or email people who are on the list and tell them that if they don’t pay you, you will boot them off the directory. People do this, believe me. Read about the DMOZ Shoemoney Extortion. […]

  312. […] Google会不会放弃DMOZ 作者: admin  类别 SEO讨论 29Aug 近日，Shoemoney的一篇博文-Dmoz Extortion引起了轩然大波。文中称DMOZ的某位编辑向Shoemoneyå‹’ç´¢5000美刀，否则将把Shoemoney的站从DMOZ索引中删除。Shoemeony当然不会给钱了，随后他发现自己的站真的在DMOZ目录中消失了。该文引发了数百条评论，许多SEO都指责DMOZ这种错误的行为。有一个DMOZ编辑向DMOZ询问关于为什么Shoemoney网站被删除，36个小时之内，他发现自己的编辑职位被取消了，没有任何邮件或者其他通知。事态发展的越来越严重了。 DMOZ因为免费，收录公正，索引网站质量都比较高而广受称赞，许多人不惜花重金请人提交目录，没想到现在出了这种丑闻。Google自身的Directory就是直接拷贝DMOZ的，在DMOZ登录的网站一般都会得到Google更多的偏爱，特别是新站，如果被收录了，排名会好非常非常多。 看来稍微有点权力就会使人腐败，古今中外皆然。 有人呼吁干脆把DMOZ也做成收费登录，有人建议Google放弃DMOZ这种所谓”人工编辑”的目录。Google对此会有什么态度？ 抛开DMOZ某些编辑的丑恶行为。 我有两个站在DMOZ登录了，虽然没有流量，但也算是一个高质量的链接。如果DMOZ收费，只要价格合理，比如和Yahoo差不多，我还是会选择登录的。如果DMOZ被Google放弃了，对我来说应该是一个比较大的损失。所以我希望DMOZ能有高层站出来澄清整个事件，并惩罚某些破坏分子，挽回DMOZ的声誉。 […]

  313. […] directory and the grand total of referrals from DMOZ is less than 25 for the year! Considering the controversy that DMOZ has had, the fact that Yahoo has removed the directory from the home page and not even placed a prominent […]

  314. I’m sorry to have stirred such a row here, maybe 5k was too much … what about 4.5 Shoe? Ok, 4k is my last offer 🙂

  315. […] time of inception, but I still have not been indexed nor do I expect to be indexed.  Apparently you have to pay money to be included in DMOZ although it’s supposed to be a free […]

  316. […] free directory) but in our days it seems harder and harder to get your site listed. ShoeMoney from ShoeMoney.com blogged about a DMOZ extortion […]

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    […] Then takes bribes to list certain sites. Or email people who are on the list and tell them that if they don’t pay you, you will boot them off the directory. People do this, believe me. Read about the DMOZ Shoemoney Extortion. […]

  319. Wow Extortion indeed!
    This is a new low for Dmoz and the reputation of all who are involved in this fat and ugly project. The stories of abuse seem to be the most talked about when it comes to Dmoz nowaday. I believe that the directory as it stands right now, does not stand a chance. They need to either change how they conduct “business” of just fold the darn thing. Many new web directories are doing a better job without all the fuss that is Dmoz. One example if NoMoz.org, I hope it will replace this aging Dmoz monster.

  320. […] vrijwillige inspanningen om te zetten in een vetbetaalde bijverdienste. Het kan ook nog erger, afpersing is ook een manier om veel geld te (willen) verdienen met corruptie. Ik moet toegeven dat ook mijn […]

  322. I tink DEMOZ is soo soo messed up I have the 2nd most popular car based web site on the net for my subject car. the problem is we do heavy modifications on custmize the cars. The editor owns the 1 one site but it’s all about stock stock stock cars pure from the factorey floor. He is old school and has said what we do to our cars destroys them and as no purpose to be listed on DMOZ.

    1. That is exactly why the entire self-managed concept simply won’t work. There has to be some form of management of the editors otherwise you get this type of independent logic of what listings should and shouldn’t be included. EXP: I hate Chevy and love Ford, so if I am the US Cars editor I’ll only approve Ford sites. Why? Because every other car sucks.

      DMOZ is broken(.) They should hire (and pay) unbiased editors to do their jobs and charge a small fee to get a listing.

  323. Guys,

    The best thing you can is to publish all the info you have and make it all public. This will to uncover the corrupt individuals.

  324. Yes, a liting in dmoz does not mean anything except for google which places a heavy emphasis on it.

  327. I wish people would not put up with this as I think DEMOZ will become a dead horse. who buys this bs from them any way?

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  329. […] the current controversy surrounding certain sites being removed from DMOZ it seems that Google should really take the time to regain control of what […]

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  333. I just came across this page while browsing the web. I am a volunteer editor and I can guarantee that bribes/extortion with editors is not the norm. Most editors contribute in a diligent and meaningful manner to the web directory. If anyone receives a threat by someone claiming to be an editor, I’d suggest you report this to the administrators of DMOZ. You can find admin people at the bottom of http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/admin/ . Any editor who is found to act in such a manner will be removed as an editor.

  334. DMOZ is a source of worry for me – it always takes so long to register a site. However, before jumping to conclusions about sites being deleted, I’d recommend people check that it hasn’t just been resubmitted to a more appropriate category, or that their search engine is finding it. I had a scare with my site, http://www.styles.fr being delisted – but it turned out it was still listed, just not being picked up by DMOZ’s search engine. Searching for ‘styles.fr’ rather than ‘www.styles.fr’ brought it up, and stopped me panicking!

  336. Shoemoney’s story is pure, 100% fabrication. It has been investigated and proven false.

  339. […] listed in. Over the years though, there have been a lot of issues with DMOZ, one of which involved ShoeMoney getting blackmailed into having to pay $5000 dollars to keep his […]

  340. […] Then takes bribes to list certain sites. Or email people who are on the list and tell them that if they don’t pay you, you will boot them off the directory. People do this, believe me. Read about the DMOZ Shoemoney Extortion. […]

  343. I couldn’t believe it. DMOZ should be taking action on the person. When you provide the category, they should know who is the person.

  345. I want to get into dmoz because some of our competitors who are much smaller then us are in there. By the way those competitors are mom and pop shop’s. We have thousands of links to us and think we have seo’d the site to death. The only difference is they have a dmoz listing.

    I agree with the group – you;; get no traffic from dmoz – it will just help your seo for other engines, etc.

    I’d love to get in 🙂

  347. I have a few sites in there and all was well until they moved one of my sites to the adult section due to the words “stripper shoes”. That was 2 years ago. I still have never been able to get it changed back or even my location changed as there has not been an editor in that section for over two years. If I ran my site like DMOZ runs theirs I would be shut down.

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  350. That is definitely shady on their part. I have been trying to get listed in the directory but it seems to be impossible. I guess it’s not that big of deail, especially if that is how they treat people.

  351. Пока прочитал только эту одну заметку, если и все остальное также хорошо, то автору респект 🙂

  352. We are working on setting up a free DMOZ directory, that will work much the same and it will be web 2.0 wiki style….no corrupt editors and no waiting for 12 months to be listed… coming to a screen near you http://www.dmozopendirectory.com – brought to you by the creators of whynotad.com and worldsbestbrands.com

  353. OMG thats shocking! 5k for a listing? I have managed to get two sites listing in dmoz, I have tried to get probably 50 in there lol

  354. I think u got a nice offer but soul wish so a nice offer one time in this real world!!!

  355. Dmoz is not useful without Google. The main goal to submit a site into Dmoz is to appear into the Google Directory. If your are desapointed with Dmoz and their (corrupted ?) editors, contact Google, NOT anonymously.
    I think that Google is able to abort his “Dmoz directory” after a while…

  356. Кстати, я сейчас посмотрел, ваш блог в Google хорошие места занимает ,если имя блога туда вбить.

  357. Dmoz is rubbish. A lot of the listings are expired, out dated and just junk. If it wasn’t for the serp boost who would even bother?

  358. […] DMOZ garners a lot of criticism because it takes so long to be included or that it is reported that DMOZ editors accept bribes to include sites in their human edited […]

  359. dmoz is a joke, I applied for a section Im vastly experienced in, but not good enough!

    Maybe its because I don’t extort people!

    1. Have you ever considered that maybe they don’t want anyone to dilute their chances of getting such extortion paid to them by approving new editors? Why else would editors, who always exclaim that it’s just a spare time gig, work so hard to discredit anyone who posts openly about this subject?

  360. Editors are so paranoid and afraid that you are going to remove their spammy listings that will reject anyone that applies to become an editor.

  362. The ODP is important for SEO purposes but it is pure luck whether or not there is an editor available in the category you need your site listed in. For the most competitive categories I can see people being prepared to pay some big money for a listing.

  363. One I would say is Ridiculous… I always had reputation for DMOZ. That is an old story now. Shame on Google to use such craps as an authenticity.

  366. DMOZ Still has not listed our Free Online Advertising site even after following all the guidelines.

  368. […] certainly are abundant. It is really hard to argue against that accusation given what happened to ShoeMoney. Not only is ShoeMoney still not listed there are only 23 listings in the Affiliate Weblogs […]

  369. That’s false. Nobody will ask for 5, 000$ to ADD a website like this one. Your site is not that IMPORTANT BUSSINESS SITE guy, stop to dream.

    And next: your site have lots of ADS! it is horrible to surf on your site, AND OF COURSE If I have my own directory I don’t will add your site neither!

  370. I believe it’s wrong to generalize about DMOZ editors. Some maybe dishonest, as in this case – but that doesn’t mean they all are. I’m an editor myself, and try to be impartial and timely. I try to update my subject areas monthly.

    As with all big organizations, you’ll meet people who you consider rude, unhelpful, and maybe even fraudulent. Doesn’t mean everybody is, though.

    1. I’m sorry, but such reasoning doesn’t work. I agree that its always the few who ruin it for the many. If DMOZ really wanted to “FIX” things they would have started long ago. The entire premise of a free directory has long been lost and the building list of these types of shortcomings can’t be written off as so much hating the editors anymore. DMOZ is broken and in a massive way.

      It appears to most that it has become more of a Good ole boys network under the guise of editorship. Fortunately, it has also become increasingly hard to cover up the abuses and it will bite DMOZ in the proverbial ass if nothing changes. Google is the main reason DMOZ has managed to stay where it is and at some point Google will want to separate itself from such corruption.

  371. Man, that’s terrible! I didn’t know dmoz was corrupt like that.

    1. I dont get it. What is the big deal about DMOZ? When they just need (extort?) money to approve links :/

  372. DMOZ has been irrelevant for years. Still, a juicy backlink is a juicy backlink. Still, sucks though.

  373. Well this isn’t too surprising. Dissapointing, but not surprising. I always assumed corruption and/or nepotism was the reason none of my submissions have been accepted.

    I’m just not part of the clique, so will likely never learn the secret handshake and wink combination.

  374. For me this is a pure example of US trash culture. U yanks love trash food, trash tv trash websites. As a (in-my-spare-time) Google UK directory editor I would not accept this site into my catagory.

  375. Hard to believe a DMOZ editor extort websites for cash. He should be arrested if not banned from the Internet. Ok, just banned from DMOZ.

  377. […] Fishkin – see I Used to Respect Robert Scoble’s Opinion ShoeMoney – see DMOZ Extortion Jason Calacanis – see SEO is Bullshit Rae Hoffman – see Merchant Circle Kim Krause […]

  379. […] category has it’s own volunteer editor; some editors do a good job, while others don’t seem to follow the guidelines very ethically. I’ve seen great websites get ignored, while some of the worst websites get listed in just a […]

    1. That’s a good point, although it’s been $2500^ for more than a year now. I guess a few companies got wise and a grand was cheap. It’s also a PR8 now 🙂

  381. That is absolutely insane! I have tried and failed many times to get listed in DMOZ, but it sounds corrupt anyway, so Google doesnt have a leg to stand on by supporting it…

  382. Is DMOZ even a good resource anymore? It’s probably easier and quicker to get natural listings in the top three search engines.

  383. We submitted our site about 5 months ago to the DMOZ and they still haven’t added it. There are many complaints in DMOZ’s own forums. A better system needs to be made that eliminates the bias of a few volunteer editors who have no accountability. Many good sites are being missed.

  384. I’ve heard a lot about DMOZ editors extorting people for cash or selling listings for big bucks over the years. There’s no doubt that it’s corrupt and keeps getting worse as times goes on. I don’t see how they haven’t figured out a better system by now or why the big G still cares about them so much. I’ve never had a site accepted in there despite several attempts, and there are tons of sites in there that are very low quality so I don’t see how any of mine wouldn’t make it.

  385. @Simon – a good resource? NO not really, a good back link? YES ~ that’s the underlying reason these devious editors can get away with extortion. But, I digress, it’s only extortion because DMOZ is supposed to be an open (free) directory.

    Just the fact that Google still uses them is their thread of life support. If Google went away their traffic would drop like a boulder over Pacific Coast Hwy after a rain. The shine has long worn off the DMOZ image which used to be pretty darn good. They are simply a mirror of the decaying human condition over the last decade.

  387. […] can make it a very frustrating process. In addition, accusations of corruption, bribery and extortion taint the idea of even obtaining a link. Certainly, there are cases where some sites seem to […]

  388. I’m just stunned !
    Blackmailing for a directory inclusion is just madness. And asking $5k is just the craziest thing I ever heard.

  389. I am very shocked that this is taking place. A directory like that won’t last too long!

  390. This explains much. Comes as no surprise either.

    I have dozens of online stores, not a single one has been listed despite years of polite, concerted efforts.

    I could see one or two not making it in, but ALL OF THEM?

    Take my word for it, I have things in my stores you cannot find anywhere else on the planet (I know, I invented some of them). These stores rank well, have been in business for a loooong time, follow good white-hat webmastering practices and deserve to be included in any directory. Of merit.

    Soooo…. I don’t pay for the ‘free’ service (corrupt) or I have been unjustly blackballed (corrupt) or I am not on their friend list (corrupt) or they can’t be bothered (corrupt) or they think that particular listing is full enough (corrupt) or whatever… corrupt, corrupt, corrupt!

    DMOZ needs to be put out of business, it would be a richly deserved and highly merited misfortune for them.

  391. @Doyle Lewis
    This post isn’t suprising for me.
    I agree with you, personally i’ve tried too many times to subscribe to this organisation.
    Each time, blurring answers and blurring reasons about the meaning of the rejection of my profile.
    Dmoz made his time..and now, he’s going nowhere.

  392. The thing you’ll find interesting is that most editors are SEO/M’s. Because of this they have a built in conflict of interest. Adding new editors could endanger their ability to list, or keep listed, their clients sites. It doesn’t take rocket science brain cells to see what’s going on.

    Don’t believe me? Do a search for “dmoz editor” and just scan down the pages of SEO companies who also tout themselves editors. Did a light come on by any chance?

    1. i’ve been noticing this a lot lately, i work in a semi shady industry and cannot for the life of me get my sites in dmoz listed over the course of 2 years… i find it extra shady that editor goes by a nickname that includes a name, SEO and guru. Never a good feeling when you see that.

  394. […] you choose only one directory choose DMOZ. It’s rumored to be corrupt now(Shoemoney was recently extorted by an editor) but you can at least submit your site. If you’re lucky you won’t get a corrupt editor […]

  395. OMG, I was just about to submit my site to them.
    I thought, mistakenly maybe, that it could bring my pr6 to pr7.

  396. Yes Jeremy, you are right. I don’t see any quality in Dmoz. But I submitted with them because google loves them.

    They should think about it.

  397. […] Jeremy Shoemaker behauptet, von einem angeblichen DMOZ-Editor erpresst worden zu sein nach dem Motto: Geld her, oder deine Seite fliegt raus….. Quelle: Datenschmutz siehe auch Dmoz Extortion […]

  398. DMOZ is seriously becoming a waste of time and there are still many people who spend $$ on the chances of getting approved..

  400. yes its very tough to get approve listing in Dmoz. why Dmoz ignoring to listed websites..i manually submitted my two websites there but no response from last 3 years..i don’t know what’s going on with open directory..

  401. I have found DMOZ to be really hit and miss. I have one fitness website that i got listed last year within 2 weeks. I have another site in the poker niche that i submitted 3 times in 2 years and it never got listed. Go figure. I think it really depends on the market. The more competitive it is, the more likely it is to be corrupt.

  404. Incredible how these corrupt swine have got away with this kind of shit for so long.

  406. […] Jeremy Shoemaker (una de las personas que públicamente más gana con AdSense) asegura esta semana que el editor de DMOZ encargado de la categoría donde se encuadra su blog le escribió […]

  407. […] weekend I was reading about Shoemoney being extorted by a DMOZ editor. I thought: heck, I’m a DMOZ editor, I don’t want to be associated with stuff like […]

  408. Yeap, after I try add my company to the directory and read all this post. I have the same feeling that this DMOZ its a dead end.

  410. Yeah DMOZ is definitely gone way down hill. I am surprise Google even considers such a poorly ran site authoritative.

  412. I submitted my website to DMOZ 2 years ago with no reply. After reading some of the blogs around, that discuss this topic, i’m not sure that I want to be in DMOZ, and am also wandering to myself why Google can’t find a better directory, or a number of directories that they can use instead.

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