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Ethics of talking shit about bad people and companies

by Jeremy Schoemaker on January 29, 2013 · 29 comments

If you have read my autobiography I give a ton of examples how I do what others are willing not to do.

I also talk about how I feel its my duty to share my experiences with companies that I feel are evil.  Sometimes even criminal.

I call them out by name.  You can see peoples names on the bottom right.  As you read them you will notice that I don’t tell you if you should do business with them or not I simply share my experience with them.

Let me give you an example.

Rohail recently made a post titled How I lost 15,000 in a week.   Its a post about how he got conned into working with this shitty company who managed a campaign for him and lost him a bunch of money.  We have all been there so no shame in that.  I was disappointed that Rohail did not give them name in the company.

So now at the next Affiliate Summit when I (or others) talk to Rohail about an experience I had where a company cost me a lot of money.  Then he reveals that it was this company that he wrote about.  How shitty is he going to feel that if he would have shared his experience he could have saved a lot of his friends money?

I can’t tell you the amount of people that have thanked me for sharing my experiences with companies.

I understand some people think its bad karma to do so or the possible legal ramifications are just not worth it.  And I am not going to lie I have had legal ramifications.  But since everything I wrote was 100% fact then not much they can do.  And the LAST thing one of these companies want (IMO) is to have public documents stating all of these facts.

Anyway again I don’t mean to pick on Rohail.  He is a good guy. Its just the latest example I came across.

 

 

 

 

 

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{ 28 comments }

1 M

So who is this F*!#ING company ?!

2 Bradford

I think people just need to grow a pair and tell people how it is. Life is not full of rainbows and unicorns … or so they say! Stand up for what is right or at least what you think is ;)

3 Rohail Rizvi

Hey Jeremy,

Thanks for bringing this up, as I think it’s an important issue in the industry. The more companies that get away with bad practices without properly being called out, the worse it gets. I never really thought about it the way you just explained it when I wrote the post (it was more of a cautionary tale on managed media buys) and in hindsight I should call them out.

I guess it was the fact that I had known them for a while that caused my hesitation, but that’s no excuse. You’re right – if it can save someone else from another bad experience, I have somewhat of an obligation to let others know. I would feel really shitty if the scenario you talked about, actually occurred.

On that note, even though the comments others have left on my post make it (humorously) clear, the company I had the experience of losing all that money with was Engage BDR.

4 Caroline

I think everyone can learn something from this and that is believing in your own opinion and owning it. Do not follow the pack because those that do get eaten alive

5 Ethan

That is awesome how you do not use pen names in your book. That is one thing that a lot of people are scared to do and that is calling a person out and sharing their experience with them.

6 Mckenna

I really like that saying… that you do what others are not willing to do so. It is great that you are a leader and not a follower. The world is filled with those that just agree to agree! ANNOYING

7 Darnell Jackson

I had to do the same thing late last year.

Its a good way to warn others.

However, I would take down my post about “Aaron the idiot” if he admitted what he did AND wrote an apology.

8 Otto

I am so glad to hear that someone in the world stands up for what is right and what they believe in and does not fall victim or play that card. Everyone has choices

9 Van

Thanks for sharing! Love hearing stories on how you have worked with people who are not the best business people.

10 Alma

I do not know if you seeing angels all of the time is a good thing. I mean i understand that sometimes it is good but if it is illegal I do not feel like you should risk it morally

11 Edgar

thats why I respect Jeremy. he has to balls to call out BS. and like he said his going by his experience and Facts.

12 Jayson

Do you ever let ethics get in the way of you making choices on what you are going to do or your morals?

13 Cindy

NAME THE COMPANY! Geez!

14 Sam

You ever seen that movie “the firm”?

I’m paranoid – I wouldn’t biitch a company because they know where I live! Same reason I don’t leave neg feedback on ebay.

15 Corinne Edwards

Dear Jeremy -

I hate legal suits.

Idon’t think you can get into trouble if you give ONLY your experience. No threats – No judgements.

Throw it out there and let them defend themselves.

Imprints are powerful. And sticky.

16 faisal

Where does the FTC come here? Why doesn’t it ensure companies dont take their affiliates for a ride?

17 M

LOL it’s funny how you criticize Rohail for not naming the company that scammed him but then you refuse to reveal their name as well … talk about double standards

18 Arianna

I think you are doing the right thing Shoe, I have read through each of the “deadbeats” several times so I can learn from your experience.

19 Wilbert

what is (IMO)?

20 Douglas

I would do the same on my blog, but unlike you I am a little more terrified of the legal ramifications.

21 Gilbert

Its sooo bad when people get called out online, simple google search kills them!

22 Kelley

Thats why I like your blog Shoe, you are defiantly the Bad Boy of the industry!!!

23 Alyson

Their aint much they can do if it is all fact!

24 Virgil

How much to people start kissing your ass after you put them in the deadbeat section? haha

25 Jerold

PREACH SHOE!! :)

26 Pablo

Im glad you take the risk and share the persons identity.

27 Jeffrey

I rad Rohail’s post as well, I guess I don’t blame him for not posting the name I wouldnt want to take the risk either.

28 Phoenix Morgan

Ancient Buddhist Koan:
“All it takes for evil or con artist to exist and prosper is for good men to nothing.”

“Crime is rampant because the law-abiding, each of us, condone it, excuse it, permit it, submit to it. We permit and encourage it because we do not fight back, immediately, then and there, where it happens. Crime is not rampant because we do not have enough prisons, because judges and prosecutors are too soft, because the police are hamstrung with absurd technicalities. The defect is there, in our character. We are a nation of cowards and shirkers.”
Jeffrey R. Snyder
American attorney, author
Source:
A Nation of Cowards, 113 Public Interest (Fall 1993)

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