I was talking to someone the other day about Techcrunch Disrupt in NYC and they were saying how awesome the “Discussions” were on stage. Really? OK don’t get me wrong I love Techcrunch, read it every day in fact, but what kind of fricking discussions are that important.
Here is my take on some pressing issues.
Discussions about Facebook privacy?
If you want to be private don’t upload your life and minute by minute status updates to a website. Lets discuss?
Discussions about Twitter and how they are going to make money?
Twitter’s boat has sailed. I see less and less people using it every day that used to. They will start to make money (or already have) for fooling users to click on links that will really be ads (Google Playbook)
Discussions about if someone can be the next Google?
No.
But its not just happening at some events. Its happening on a lot of websites.
I don’t see much discussion going on…. Seems like a whole lot of talk about nothing.
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I think that’s because the important and worthwhile conversations are not being shared in a public setting. That’s just where all the useless noise goes.
It’s the conversations from meet up with people in a more private setting that actually turn out to be more fruitful.
Yup. My Twitter fizzled and died a few months ago. The whole scene has changed. I find that my best interactions are 1:1.
Talking is a lot easier than doing. They’re also the quickest way to show that you’re an expert at something. Building a record of achievements takes time. Talking a good game in front of a large audience is way quicker.
Anyone who is actually innovating, isn’t talking about their innovations. Their innovations are speaking for themselves.
Twitter always made me feel old… I just never got it for the common joe.
Do you think your perspective comes from being more advanced yourself? So for a beginner, this may be relevant. But for an expert, maybe not? Or are you saying that it’s getting to be B.S. at many levels?
I think Twitter is thriving in terms of socializing but not money making.
I got to a point where I questioned even going to conferences. If I have a network built and some masterminds I am a part of, I have a good foundation and a network to start with. For the rest of the info, I can follow my favorite blogs.
Indeed, most of the best information is now available on a variety of sites. The trick is in knowing where to go.
Let’s face it. The objective of a lot of conferences is to make money. So if you have a killer speaker with killer content, that’s one thing. But for the most part, you may not see anyone reinventing the wheel while on a public stage.
I love that discussion…. The next Google. How many times have we heard that?
Don’t you want your offline discussions to be “out there” and “viral” if you will so that you can the word out? People talking about twitter making money just keeps their name out there.
I saw an infomercial the other night on digital marketing. I have no idea who’s watching infomercials late at night, but i bet it would be easy to come across as an expert and make some serious cash, just by “discussing” digital marketing on TV, on stage, online, or wherever.
I see kids dropping Twitter on a day by day basis. There’s always a tipping point when people start leaving a service and Twitter is bound to be the next Bebo.
As for a lot of hot air about nothing, that’s cos a bunch of a list blog tw@ts insist that people have to publish daily to be successful. Queue mountains of crap just to fill a word count.
i kind of think that Twitter has jumped the shark.
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I kind of think that the top players hold their cards close to their chest. There is only so much room at the top, and there is a lucrative advantage to only share certain aspects. Kind of like…. I’ll give you this much. Figure the rest out for yourself. In the meantime, the person holding the cards will carry on with JV’s and the resources to stay one step ahead of the market. Right?
I think you are right. Its competition! No one wants to lose. They are generous on basic ideas, but those are only basics. I think Schoe has also the high card. LOL
I use websites as my primary source of info. If you are seeing otherwise, where do you suggest going, online or otherwise?
This could easily turn into Twitter bashing.
I feel sorry for anyone just getting into Affiliate Marketing. If you don’t know where to go, there are a lot of people out there who could easily mislead you.
I follow the people I want to learn from on Twitter but I never tweet. It’s great for keeping up on the latest trends in my niche but it sucks for actual communication.
Privacy has been a big deal for quite some time. Facebook is just one of the many places where corporations are collecting personal information without the subscriber’s willingness or knowing. It is a basic violation of rights, and it is a topic that needs to be kept in the front of people’s minds. Let’s face it – Many people are still in the dark about what Facebook is doing.
Remember when Twitter was the next Google?
What does that say if our key trendspotter, Shoemoney, is making this observation about our industry?
I’ve kind of thought that too. But I’m too nice to name those sites here. I think that some of them are just marketers who got into the space early.
ANything apart from the discussion that prompted this post? Just went through the blogs that I typically follow, and was quite pleased with what I learned today.
I went through some of the blogs I follow. I feel like everyone I’m following on my Reader is still relevant in some way. Maybe the thought that nothing is happening is in with the “me too’s”, or those just busting into the scene. What do you think?
I like facebook, but among the privacy seekers are also the negatively posting attention seekers that bring down all of their friends. Social media is meant for connections, and in some cases, venting thoughts and frustrations, but those who poop on the party everyday shouldn’t be invited in the first place.
Although Twitter may be losing its steam now, let’s not forget that it pioneered the whole micro-blogging platform when it was still at the top of its game — just like Yahoo was the preferred search engine in its time and Friendster was still the leading social networking site years ago.
You’re kind of asking for it if youre on Facebook. Ever since I signed up for Facebook membership, I am constantly receiving spam that either tries selling me medicines for impotence or some wonder drug that will take the size of my muscles up a notch. What does this imply? That all Facebook users are impotent weaklings?
Making money on Twitter? When do they think it is? The Medieval ages? LMAO I think most industries are having a hard time w the ROI on this one, but most people seem to agree that it can work well as part of a larger strategy.
No talking about nothing going on here. This is WHERE it is AT!!!
The pressing issue should always be making money. Cuz if it don’t make dollars, it don’t make sense.
How can I “Become A Fan” of this post? Man, privacy in Facebook sucks!
There was a time when a Twitter account meant coolness. It was fun tweeting about interesting things you’ve come across the web or some piece of useful information that you think is worth sharing. You could even meet people with the same interests. However, when it became a commonplace haven for vanities and worthless junk, I decided to stop using my account.
I plan to name my firstborn “Google.” That’s going to be the next Google.
I am Google.
No, I am Google.
Have you guys seen the movie Hot Tub Time Machine? Funny stuff.
I knew Twitter has lost all its sense of dignity when it allowed posting things like these: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/07/bobbi-eden-netherlands-po_n_637329.html
I thought no one around here liked Google. The “G” word. Bad Word. Not to be patronized or cowtowed to.
If you’re in the middle of committing a serious felony such as armed robbery or grand theft, don’t tweet about it until you’re safely in the getaway car. Or if you’re Lindsay Lohan, don’t ever post tweets when drunk!
I am just merely repeating what David Vladeck, director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection told Twitter: “When a company promises consumers that their personal information is secure, it must live up to that promise.” And did Twitter do that? No!
What I learned from Twitter? Do not try hitting on or otherwise making a date with any scantily clad girl offering to show you her “picz”. In reality, they are all a 400-pound naked guy named Hyrum Winsocki. And he does not put out. Trust me.
Shoe, better tell them that something is wrong or else they may think that what they’re talking about is pure gold. Discussions about Twitter and how they are going to make money? Have they teamed up with the high-strung Fox execs you told us about last week?
heheh great comments and a great blog. i have been visiting your site for a few weeks but never posted anything.
keep up the good work!
Hmmm…privacy in Facebook. Is this even truly possible? Although Zuckerberg and his henchmen have finally added some settings that will take shielding personal information up a notch, I still have a funny feeling that there’s a catch somewhere.
Even though the Twitter fever is almost over, this is still my favorite Follow Or Not To Follow guide. Enjoy! http://www.esarcasm.com/3687/to-follow-or-not-to-follow-a-twitter-guide/
“My most favorite tweet of all? This is the shizinit! (Albert Einstein:
@E=MC2 I can unravel the intricacies of the time-space continuum yet still I cannot locate my pants. It’s all relative, I guess. #trousers)”
As I said before: Google was, Google is and Google will still be dominating the web even after all the trends and memes have lost their shine. it’s great to know we share the same sentiments, Jeremy.
it’s just the same old crap, over and over again. isn’t it?
I lost faith in Twitter when I read about its failure to protect user accounts. Eventually, Twitter acknowledged that xxx # accounts had been accessed, but bleated that it was only for “short periods of time.” WTF?
I’ve always been a fan of Twitter and will still be even though it has finally sailed into the sunset. Nonetheless, micro-blogging won’t be this popular without the pioneering site. At least accept the fact that it pioneered a whole new level of blogging.
Here’s something I used to edit my personal privacy settings. Hope this can help you overhaul privacy settings for your account as well. http://www.allfacebook.com/2009/02/facebook-privacy/
The sole reason why Twitter became another has-been? It failed to keep its users engaged. The micro-blogging genre has become boring and transformed into a haven for scammers and other cyber-criminals that prey on the gullible.
We could talk about Glee. That’s always a good topic for discussion.
Lets face it, Twitter’s too easy to abuse. Low commitment, high impact. No fees. The very ease of set up makes filtering difficult and spamming easy for advertisers. If you had a mail server that did that you’d be screaming.
Ok, so you have started a discussion on Twitter’s boat now?
But seriously, Twitter’s boat has sailed? I mean, does it not mean that Twitter has ‘matured’ rather than gone ‘too old’?
The money that can be made on Twitter now has the same dynamics as money being made on say, Facebook, or even Google. The tactics are different, but Twitter ‘seems’ to be like a mature system, hence here to say, hence up for grabs for ‘smart marketers’. No? Hmmm…
I wish that I could share my agency’s Twitter success stories, but I have to keep them in confidence for contract reasons. I do feel compelled to respond to the Twitter comment. Many of our client’s have enjoyed tremendous success with Twitter. We recently used Twitter as part of a new product launch plan. Our analytics showed that Twitter brought in traffic to our blog, fan pages, and a variety of online communities. It helped us craft a voice for our brand, and build on some of our marketing and sales tactics. We created excitement, found advocates, had trial users promote the product, etc. From a sales and marketing perspective, I think it is a good tool. We will continue to use it.
Take them to school, Mr. Schoemaker!
Lets face it folks twitter is dead. Facebook is here and here to stay. There is no competing against facebook. The only way facebook will go down if the government takes them down for privacy related issues. But you know what people do not post crap on facebook or twitter that you would not mind telling your grandma to her face.
People repackage old info just to garner as many fans as Shoe has right now.
Facebook privacy = FAILURE
It seems as if the websites are desperate to get content. They rewrite old ideas for the sake of traffic and to create the illusion of expertise. Let’s blame that one on SEO and the promise of $$$ for being an expert.
Thumbs down on privacy discussions. Facebook and Twitter have basically lost the users’ trust. I don’t know if there was ever a time to regain it but now, it is just too late.
At least we can count on the voice of reason here at Shoemoney.com
There’s a piece of the pie for everyone. Even those who don’t know what they’re talking about.
I understand that Twitter has scaling problems that I, an aspiring web guru, can only dream of. I don’t envy the amount of work they’ll have to undertake to fix this pernicious, systemic problem of massive scale. I guess this is just payback time, eh?
It’s posts like these that I love reading over and over again. Short, direct to the point, and the best part? Our resident web marketing guru, Shoe, is giving his take on them without batting an eyelash. Kudos!
Sing to the tune of Beat It: Just tweet it, tweet it, tweet it, tweet it/No matter how lame or conceited/Spew out your updates all in a bunch/Tell us in detail what you had for lunch/Just tweet it (tweet it, tweet it)/Just tweet it (tweet it, tweet it).
some stereotypes die hard.
You can’t blame someone for trying to make a living, can you?
Epic Fail
Hope another Company launches a new ERA of Online Marketing Opportunities.
Hehehe, I love your Facebook privacy comments…..I agree completely!
Could you all imagine 400 million pissed off facebook users cause they got shut down. I think that it would probably cause a riot. News Media Would never let that happen. News media loves social media it feeds the news.
Ya know, what can you really expect?
We’re in a derivative culture so of course people are going to talk about things that are already discussed to its far ends like beating a dead horse.
Talking is a lot easier than doing. They’re also the quickest way to show that you’re an expert at something. Building a record of achievements takes time. Talking a good game in front of a large audience isYou can’t blame someone for trying to make a living, can you?
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Your idea is really great,I’ll come back to see more of your work.
Twitter has become a massive spam tool. Everyone is on their trying to close like an 18 year old boy instead of trying to connect and add value to people.
I agree on the Facebook privacy issue, don’t have a Facebook unless you want the whole world seeing tagged pictures of you shotgunning a beer at a frat party. And I don’t see a point in the next Google discussion, as I don’t see anything ever replacing Google.
The problem with facebook privacy is that all its registered members are not conscious enough. They upload pictures of themselves or write anything that they do on life. So what’s a privacy for?
As someone just getting into IM, this is really good info to know.
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