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Holy Crap Kontera

Posted March 26th, 2008 by Jeremy Schoemaker

Was looking at my arch nemesis John Chow’s blog today and noticed 8 million things loading in the status bar. Fired up firebug and holy crap kontera loads SIXTY EIGHT (68) different things:

I could not even fit them all in 1 screen shot on the 30″ Apple Studio Display.

Click for full image:

And notice the one is a 404 (file not found)…. oups.

Looks like a lot of people have been removing them from their site.

I was sitting with a guy from Kontera on a panel at blogworld and was asked point blank why I dont use it. I gave the honest answer…

1) Editorial control – Like with Google Adsense I have very limited editorial control over what is displayed on my site.

2) Selling yourself short – Unless you have some scrapper blog do you really want to give up your reader traffic for pennies?

3) Loading issues – as mentioned above.

I challenged Kontera a while back in my forums (now killed off) and they said they would accept but I have not heard back from them sense.

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107 comments. What say you?

  1. Good Comment?
    Vinay

    I tried kontera for several months but it really sucks. The revenue rates are pathetic. I can’t even buy peanuts from Konteras revenue. I am removing them from all my sites.

  2. Good Comment?
    Anish K.S

    Try infolinks or echotopic.

  3. Good Comment?
    Tim Edjerrs

    Most of these “alternative” ppc or contextual adv. programs are scams. Why not stick with the majors or sell ads yourself and cut out the scammy ripoff middleman?

  4. Good Comment?
    kontera sucks

    kontera owes me around $500 and has not paid me for over 5 months, it is ridiculous, there reply comes after ages, i have asked them for payment and waiting for there reply

    are they out of funds?

  5. Good Comment?
    Money Ideas

    I forgot to mention that Clause 4.2 should in fact be renamed Catch 4.2 – much catchier !

  6. Good Comment?
    Money Ideas

    Don’t forget also that under Clause 4.2 of Kontera’s terms if you make $5 or less in any month Kontera keep that for themselves you won’t see any of it – ever – it is not added to your growing stash of Kontera dosh –
    Kontera’s Payment Terms
    Clause 4.2 – Payment Terms ………… Notwithstanding the foregoing, if the Revenue Share for any given month is five dollars ($5) or less, Kontera shall not be liable to the Publisher for any such payment.

  7. Good Comment?
    jehzlau

    good thing I closed my kontera account. I’ve waited for six months to get my $250.00 something, then after I was paid, I removed the kontera plugin in my blog. :)

    I’m so happy kontera paid me even if I only earn a few cents per day. I will never put back kontera in my blog again.. never :D

  8. Good Comment?
    Themebot

    If you are thinking about using Kontera, please read this article. You might have to take them to court to get paid what they owe you:

    http://themebot.com/tips-and-tutorials/kontera-contentlink-advertising

  9. Good Comment?
    Islamochat

    sorry looks like the code was filtered. what I was trying to say was use
    LANGUAGE = “JavaScript1.1″
    instead of
    type = “text/javascript” to make it fetch faster.

  10. Good Comment?
    Islamochat

    you can make kontera faster.
    eg:

    var dc_AdLinkColor = “#f26522″ ;
    var dc_PublisherID = #######;

  11. Good Comment?
    warez

    First it takes too long to load, and second not a good conversion there.

  12. Good Comment?
    undoIT

    Yet another extremely dissatisfied ex-Kontera publisher.

    http://themebot.com/tips-and-tutorials/kontera-contentlink-advertising

  13. Good Comment?
    amarkord

    I used Kontera, also, but removed it after a couple of months. Now they want me to start showing the ads again for 30 days or they won’t pay me (Kontera owes me about $500 for those couple of months). Nice guys, yeah.

  14. Good Comment?
    Gorilla Gripper

    I tried kontera briefly…it made navigating my site a nightmare!

  15. Good Comment?
    Nate Hill

    I haven’t heard great things about it either but I might give it ago and then post a review of it and what it was like and it does make the site take much longer to load.

  16. Good Comment?
    Not John

    I hate all the double underlined words. it is simply a distraction that no one clicks on.

  17. Good Comment?
    Lisa- Add Your Site to DoFollow Directory

    Ditto. I gave up on kontera after a few days. For the amount of impact it had on my website; i.e. slow load time, wall to wall links, etc it just wasn’t worth the pennies per click I made. I can’t recommend to anyone. In theory it is good idea- the implementation is just abysmal.

  18. Good Comment?
    Forumistan

    Looks nice, gonna use it soon.

  19. Good Comment?
    Forumistan

    I dont like flash, too.

  20. Good Comment?
    Meethere

    yeh , kontera suchs.
    It makes the site slow and i dont like irritating popups.

  21. Good Comment?
    Funky South

    never tried them, some ads look so cheap . . .

  22. Good Comment?
    UttoranSen

    actually it dosenot makes a difference to my adsense earnings, so i keep them! am just worried about the page loading which is really really slow!

  23. Good Comment?
    John Esberg

    I really don’t mind it. I easily just cruise my mouse around the link and avoid the pop ups. I also prefer it to seeing another bunch of google text links.

  24. Good Comment?
    John Esberg

    I’d eat that one up too. I would follow it like religion to say the least.

  25. Good Comment?
    Luke

    NoScript rawks! It’s cool not being forced to load stuff you don’t want to load.

  26. Good Comment?
    Paul

    John Chow blog loads very slowly but he has fresh content so he thus gets away from the nuisance which smaller blogs may not be able to do so.

  27. Good Comment?
    Affiliate Confession

    Yea, they are kind of annoying. It’s a hassle when you drag your cursor across a target word and that dang box just pops up and blocks the content you’re trying to read.

  28. Good Comment?
    Bash Bosh

    I have just disabled them on my blog. Blog is little bit faster too.
    Thanks for the nice warning :)

  29. Good Comment?
    johnd

    Kontera’s ads are too intrusive.

  30. Good Comment?
    johnd

    The ads are a little too intrusive for me.

  31. Good Comment?
    Flimjo

    How much money did you make from other ad networks during that same period?

  32. Good Comment?
    Flimjo

    I’d prefer it over Adsense as well. It’s hidden in the content as opposed to some bright ad box over on the right that’s distracting.

  33. Good Comment?
    Flimjo

    That’s about the one thing I don’t like about his site. Why is that?? It can’t just be Kontera.

  34. Good Comment?
    Flimjo

    Is it really that annoying? I don’t mind it.

  35. Good Comment?
    Flimjo

    John Chow likes Kontera. I’d like to see a viral video debate between JC and Shoemoney on this issue. That would get hits.

  36. Good Comment?
    Aerogarden

    I suppose it depends on how successful your blog is, if your already well known then it probably doesn’t hurt much… If your a small blog like 99.95% of us then I agree it hurts more then it helps… I wouldn’t mind so much if the ad’s were a little less frequent… People visiting John Chow’s site are hammered with a lot of advertising already so whats a bit more..

  37. Good Comment?
    Scott Fillmer

    I got on with Kontera right at the beginning too, but it only took me about a week before I removed them totally. I know it has it merits and the advertising might be good for some people but I find it totally annoying when reading an article myself, so I didn’t want to have up something I didn’t like to read around.

  38. Good Comment?
    Keylogger Hater

    Sorry, but personally I regard AdSense as the best system to monetize most of my sites traffic. So in my opinion is really nothing to talk about.

  39. Good Comment?
    ninjashoes mixed martial arts

    wow I am gonna stay away from kontera

  40. Good Comment?
    CodeFreedom

    Hi Paul, I saw it too. I think it was posted to get reactions – like yours and mine, because it made no sense to me – I am a bit slow though ;-)

  41. Good Comment?
    shanX

    Does anyone know a better Kontera alternative?? ;)

  42. Good Comment?
    Hakukoneoptimointi

    Thank god that most of those sites I visit don’t use Kontera! A little tip for you webmasters: if you are frustrated by your sites loading time and slow loading is becouse of too much headers and stuff, try PHP Speedy. It gzips all code and images your site has and improves loading time.

  43. Good Comment?
    Affiliate Confession

    You should see the new ones John just wrote about on his blog. They’re even bigger.

  44. Good Comment?
    June Yasol

    pop-ups are pop-outs for customers, its good only for first timers
    if you use it you look desperate and tricky

  45. Good Comment?
    Teddy

    Wow, shoe PWNED me!

  46. Good Comment?
    POYTSPOT

    The sudden pop-up in kontera is really distracting

  47. Good Comment?
    Terry Tay

    That’s pretty interesting that they agreed to the CPM that you wanted. I guess they figured taking a cut in profits would benefit them in the long run. I wonder if they give everyone the option of choosing their prefered CPM?
    ~Terry

  48. Good Comment?
    MagicBlue

    Scandelous…

  49. Good Comment?
    Erica DeWolf

    Yeah, Kontera sucks.
    If you’re gonna get pennies for your clicks, peakclick is the best, i think, after Adsense and Yahoo, of course.
    CPA is a whole lot better.

  50. Good Comment?
    Richard

    Well, John Chow sees value in using them. For the life of me, I don’t see why. I think the quality of their ads are rather poor.

  51. Good Comment?
    DamnSmiley

    are you sure of that? lol :D

  52. Good Comment?
    DamnSmiley

    Who is even promoting them? I really dont see anything there but waste of time only!

  53. Good Comment?
    Nick Larson

    I’m dissapointed Shoe… you should be using Safari… :(

  54. Good Comment?
    king kong

    i think its tacky! I dont think your selling yourself short, money is money!

  55. Good Comment?
    shanX

    Kontera sure sucks, I even made a blog way back – http://xtoned.com/log/2007-08-29+kontera-sucks :D

    But am still looking for a Kontera alternative, content link solution for my sites :S

  56. Good Comment?
    oakling

    Sounds like they had a good idea but aren’t backing it up the way they need to….

  57. Good Comment?
    Paul

    Speaking of crap did you see Johns vid post about the subject? I thought it was really funny. I am sure that you have seen it, I just don’t know why he posted it. He is crazy!

  58. Good Comment?
    blogstheme.com

    He’s doing typos so that the post will rank also for typos more traffic! ;)

  59. Good Comment?
    Peter

    John Chow and his useless tips. Look at the interview he had on tv, rubbish tips. He has no idea what he is toking about.

  60. Good Comment?
    Rajaram S

    I had Kontera on my blog for a month or so. It made me 36 USD only, much lesser than the other forms of ads on my blog. Also, it made my blog look ugly!
    So, i forfeited that 36 USd and removed it :-)

  61. Good Comment?
    Thanoz

    I really agree that Kontrera and all similar programs on the market(don’t think it’s right to focus only on Kontrera) are not suited for a blog that really does provide quality content. They just ruin it.
    At least me, personally, wouldn’t bother reading any article full of those links that can popup little windows at any time. I would be more willing to click a link or an ad at the sidebar rather than in-text.
    As mentioned in the article above, they do slow your website, especially if they are a lot in number.
    The only bad thing is that new bloggers, think that as their ideal way to earn money through their blogs, and focus on creating Kontrera-keyword-links-friendly articles so that they’ll get their..cents..
    Actually with so many advertising programms (in case they don’t get accepted at AdSense), that plethora of affiliate networks and yet lot of people focus on Kontrera-like networks.
    Pitty..

  62. Good Comment?
    Mayank Rocks

    haha. I agree

  63. Good Comment?
    Too Much Vodka

    Another proof that some advertising networks rather spam the computer han being user friendly.

  64. Good Comment?
    jtGraphic

    I think Flash has it’s place. But that place isn’t everywhere…

  65. Good Comment?
    Rob

    Interesting approach. Perhaps I’ll give them another try.

  66. Good Comment?
    UttoranSen

    i have read that in your forum, and i was waiting for the kontera review. i guess the kontera staff agreed on the review on your forum. It is very sad to know that they did not responded.

    My march average is 5 cents per click, and all my visitors are from google, msn/live, aol and yahoo, and the content is absolutely unique and sites are niche sites! looks like it’s time to remove and forget kontera,

  67. Good Comment?
    Myo Kyaw Htun

    YUP! I removed it for long time because of low pay and it makes my visitors away from my blog. Loading time too!

  68. Good Comment?
    Malayan

    Yup, that happens to me also but still running on adsense do gives me better ads.

  69. Good Comment?
    Mayank Rocks

    They are crappy. How much time you need to optimise? :P

  70. Good Comment?
    Mayank Rocks

    My forum members get pissed off if I ever add that. They all complain the slow page loads. I myself face it. So I block myself from showing kontera. Unfair that members face that and I run away from it.

    Johnchow.com loads so slow for me that it is extremely pissing. VERY SLOW!
    Takes ages to load and most of the time never completely loads also.

  71. Good Comment?
    Mayank Rocks

    They do. I dont like the fact that Johnchow.com loads so slow.

  72. Good Comment?
    sockmoney

    We did a trial run with Kontera and asked for feedback from our members on what they thought of the ads. It was weird, but most folks preferred them over Adsense. Some went as far to say Adsense was annoying, and the Kontera ads were very subtle.

    We were quite surprised with the feedback. Regardless, the payout was so poor we stopped using them after the trial week.

    Then Kontera contacted us and asked what would it take to run their ads again. We gave them a CPM we wanted, and they agreed… We’ve been running them on a CPM contract ever since… and it has been an excellent addition to our income.

    We have not had any performance complaints either… but we do limit the number of links to 3 per page, which might help on performance…

  73. Good Comment?
    Melvin

    In text advertisingf are scandalous…

  74. Good Comment?
    Jcyreus

    AdBrite has something similar to what Kontera does. I actually replaced AdBrite’s with Kontera’s context links a few weeks ago and haven’t had enought run time to compare conversion rates. Any thoughts on one vs the other?

  75. Good Comment?
    Terry Tay

    It pays him enough that the positives outweigh the negatives. The visitors don’t seem to mind either. I don’t really like the delayed load time but I still go back for some reason :D
    ~Terry

  76. Good Comment?
    Rob

    Used it for a while…a few readers complained…ditched it. Perhaps with John’s level of traffic it’s meaningful but for me it was just a distraction.

  77. Good Comment?
    Dwayne

    I never understand what Kontera was trying to get you to click for anyway. Their ads did not make any since to me. A first grade could have done better with the keywords. I do not think they will be around much longer anyway.

  78. Good Comment?
    tech blog

    it takes some time to optimise.

  79. Good Comment?
    Sabrina

    Alternatively, would you have your babysitter or wife model it? If you picked it that is…

  80. Good Comment?
    misterpro

    Hey shoe, hit F11 on your browser and you’ll be able to show more of that screenshot.

  81. Good Comment?
    Mike Huang

    I tried Kontera in the past, but took it off after realizing that viewers HATE it! But I guess if you’re John Chow, no one really cares..

    -Mike

  82. Good Comment?
    Lisa

    Yet there are still two typos in this post :)

  83. Good Comment?
    ShoeMoney

    just my opinion chief ;) BTW I still hate flash.

  84. Good Comment?
    ShoeMoney

    for generating typos

  85. Good Comment?
    cbinthehouse

    I’m not a big time webmaster, but honestly, ?who cares? I make a significantly larger amount of money with the addition of in-text to my site than just AdSense alone and my users don’t hate it as much as my coder does. I get tired of people that bash everything new. I remember people that hated flash as well as and HTML in email. It’s 2008 — lighten up a little.

  86. Good Comment?
    jtGraphic

    I’ve never used it. It seems like I probably never will either.

  87. Good Comment?
    jtGraphic

    He actually has good grammar, but doesn’t want to let on…

  88. Good Comment?
    Teddy

    What’s typo generator for?

  89. Good Comment?
    Affiliate Confession

    Kontera seems like a big pain to me. I don’t enjoy having to dodge all the in content pop ups my mouse may scroll across.

  90. Good Comment?
    Neil

    Yes I have never had any luck or cared for Kontera. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Jeremy.

  91. Good Comment?
    Yogesh

    That’s why I stopped using them on my sites as well, also I got the feeling that they were a bit annoying to the users as well.

  92. Good Comment?
    Sean W

    I hate that crap with a passion…

  93. Good Comment?
    ShoeMoney

    shhhhhhhhh fixed ;)

  94. Good Comment?
    Paul

    What was the load time for that? Did some one say he gets paid for using the adds even when he is not referring any visitors? I will have to go visit his site and see how its doing, I did hear a buzz that he was unindexed altogether even for his name on Google. How did that turn out for him?

  95. Good Comment?
    Terra Andersen

    I use Kontera, and have had no problems with it so far. @Hyder and Devtrench : I definitely agree that John Chow makes a great income from referring people to services.. probably is where his greatest skill lies.

  96. Good Comment?
    Syed Balkhi

    Yes I dont like it as well. First it takes too long to load, and second not a good conversion there.

  97. Good Comment?
    Hustle Strategy

    Does it load last? If it loads last, does it matter how long it really takes? Just curious…

  98. Good Comment?
    Dom

    I ended up removing Kontera, and this is one of the reasons why. It’s impossibly slow (as well as being spammy looking and hardly earning any money).

  99. Good Comment?
    Sean

    Didn’t even know about kontera until you mentioned it. seems like many of the smaller kontera images load slower than the big ones. although I would want to test it multiple times to really tell. You will be negatively hitting his signups now ;)

  100. Good Comment?
    devtrench

    Yeah, I was able to get my blog signed up for Kontera by mentioning John’s blog, but took it off when I realized how slow it made my site. Like most things John pushes, it’s not the actual product that makes him $$, its all the signup referrals. I think that is where his marketing skills lie – he’s able to sign a ton of people up for stuff.

  101. Good Comment?
    Hyder

    That’s why they pay him $1000 a month regardless of how much money he actually makes with them or not, which in my guess is not that much anyway.

  102. Good Comment?
    Karthik

    Kontera’s never been my cup of tea – it really irks me to find a popup box when I accidentally hover over a “contextual” link.

  103. Good Comment?
    Mark

    LOL… In my never ending quest to learn as much about how YOU do things Jeremy…

    I spent more time looking at the FF toolbars portion of the image! LOL

    Lets see… typo generator, ringtone link, Ask… and one I’ve never read about, Trigget!

    Time to go read for awhile… wait, wasn’t this about Kontera?

    Mark

  104. Good Comment?
    Ray

    That’s why I use NoScript in Firefox. I don’t get all the junk like kontera. Just to check I went John’s site and no script forbids kontera from loading. Of course I don’t let pimptel.com load on Shoemoney.com.

  105. Good Comment?
    Sabrina

    I signed up with Kontera right after I started Sabrina’s Money Matters and hated it, it made my page load slow and there were no conversions so it was a waste of my space.

    Off topic though – - If I sent you a shirt for your Friday blog from my site, MouthyGirl.com – would you still wear it even though it’s for a “girl” site? I think you’d rawk it – but wouldn’t want to waste a tshirt if you don’t wear girl site shirts…..lol.

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