B2evolution Creator Francois Planque, Thor Shrock Talking Top Affiliate Challenge Co-hosted w/ Harrison Gervitz

by Jeremy Schoemaker on March 19, 2008 · 57 comments

Good show last night. Harrison Gevirtz the 15 year old affiliate marketing phenom co-hosted the show with me.

Our first guest was Francois Planque. Francois is a very cool guy I have known for about a year and has a really interesting story/perspective relating to recent events. You see way back in the early 2000′s there was this blogging software called B2. The founder of the software pretty much abandoned the project and so people started creating hacks for it…. only it was not very ideal for people that were not very tech savvy to apply all these bug fixes/hacks. There were several people contributing to these fixes and hacks. One was Matt Mullenweg and the other was Francois Planque. They both got tiered of helping a dying platform and when b2 was finally announced dead they forked there own versions. Francois Planque started his own called B2evolution and Matt Mullenweg started WordPress. Then the B2 original Author proclaimed wordpress as the successor.

Did you know that?

Anyway I also get his take on the recent back and fourth between Matt Mullenweg and Anil Dash.

A little bit later Thor Schrock came on and talked about his new venture the Top Affiliate Challenge. I am a coach on the program against John Chow and some spammer mass email deployer aka MLM. Maybe the 2 could combine teams to make it more of a challenge for my team.



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1 Monty March 19, 2008 at 4:02 pm

It’s b2evolution.net not .com

just so you know…

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2 jim March 19, 2008 at 4:24 pm

For a second I thought b2evolution was just dead and replaced with a landing page. :)

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3 jtGraphic March 19, 2008 at 4:30 pm

A little piece of internet history in the old database I call my brain. I’m pretty impressed w/ Harrison’s resolve at his age. I’m behind the 8ball.

-JKT

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4 SiteHoppers March 19, 2008 at 4:57 pm

Oh yeah, I’ve tried B2Evolution long time ago, it looks like a good platform if you are gonna host multiple blogs or if you wanted to start a multiple blog service…then again Wordpress has that too now…

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5 Rob March 19, 2008 at 5:36 pm

Wow… 15 years old… amazing! After he returns from Elite Retreat he’ll be on his way to retirement. Unreal.

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6 Flimjo March 19, 2008 at 5:47 pm

This is a pretty interesting little tidbit of history for new bloggers. Kind of helps you appreciate where we are now.

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7 Erica DeWolf March 19, 2008 at 6:10 pm

My reaction exactly. A freshman in high school and already so successful…he has a bright future!!

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8 Erica DeWolf March 19, 2008 at 6:11 pm

Very interesting little pieces of history. I didn’t know that! :)

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9 Harrison Gevirtz March 19, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Was Really Fun Doing The Show With You Shoe!

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10 ShoeMoney March 19, 2008 at 7:11 pm

thx fixed

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11 ShoeMoney March 19, 2008 at 7:12 pm

anytime good job ;)

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12 Affiliate Confession March 19, 2008 at 8:40 pm

I read about Harrison in Revenue magazine, gonna have to listen to the show.

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13 Davide Di Cillo March 19, 2008 at 9:04 pm

c’mon… Monaco in Italy…

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14 Anil March 19, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Just wanted to clarify, Jeremy, is the reason that you’ve called me a dirtbag for the second time in a week because I pointed out a year and a half ago that you were trying to take credit for a site you didn’t make? Because other than that, I can’t even think of any interactions we’ve had, so it seems odd. At the time, i think you characterized me as a “hater”, which could be further from the truth — I don’t know you, and don’t really have an opinion about you. I just think you might understand that I am always eager to make sure my friends get credit for the work that they do, and I don’t see how that makes me a dirtbag. The traditional response to getting caught puffing up one’s resume is to be humbled and apologetic, not to hold a grudge that surfaces more than a year later with little or no context.

All that being said, I’d love to have a respectful conversation sometime, if you’re game. You and I both spend a lot of our waking hours figuring out ways for bloggers to make more money, and I bet there’s some useful things we could discuss.

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15 Scott Y. March 19, 2008 at 11:10 pm

The post that Francois was talking about, written by Mark Pilgrim that drove many people from Movable Type to WordPress back in 2004 — Freedom 0, and its follow up post after 6A announced open sourcing MovableType — 0 + 1307

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/05/14/freedom-0
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/12/13/mtos

Still classic.

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16 HardGeek March 20, 2008 at 12:19 am

Wow… 15 years old… amazing!

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17 Syed Balkhi March 20, 2008 at 12:38 am

pretty hard to believe but I started when i was 12 so :p

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18 Syed Balkhi March 20, 2008 at 12:40 am

just because no one appreciates it you jeremy … You did a good job too ;)

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19 Syed Balkhi March 20, 2008 at 12:46 am

i like the comment about Chow lol.. I think he will probably have a good laugh when he reads this.

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20 ling March 20, 2008 at 12:59 am

i am fresh here! how can i be firmilar?

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21 Cheap Auto Insurance March 20, 2008 at 1:07 am

B2evolution is good software but still wordpress is great for blogs.I hope B2 will develop there community.

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22 evyli March 20, 2008 at 1:37 am

i am new,i like it

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23 big jason on top affiliate challenge March 20, 2008 at 2:10 am

c’mon shoe! not all make money online marketers are spammers…… well, maybe, but what’s your point??

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24 Homebizseo.com March 20, 2008 at 2:38 am

Harrison Gevirtz is the Warren Buffet of DOT com moguls.

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25 Harrison Gevirtz March 20, 2008 at 3:08 am

made my day, buffet=hero

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26 Francois Planque March 20, 2008 at 3:37 am

First, let me just say it was a thrilling experience to be on a radio show with whom I consider two of the greatest internet marketers of all times! My favorite part of the show is not even the one I am in, it’s the one at the end where Jeremy and Harrison discuss a couple of topics together, the Valley mindset, etc. Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!

Regarding b2evolution features, I still think it is way easier to install b2evo than WPmu to run multiple blogs out of the box. It also makes it easier to integrate those blogs anywhere into your site. Examples:
- 2008.sxsw.com integrates 9 blogs powered by b2evolution
- w3.org integrates 14 blogs powered by b2evolution
both tightly integrated in a large and diverse site structure.

Here’s a couple additional features you might be interested in:

- b2evolution offers dozens of options to optimize your blogs for SEO: canonical URLS and automatic 301s, NOINDEXing of some pages (like category pages), NOFOLLOWing specific links (like links to contact forms or page 2…), etc. And it gets even better: b2evo comes with presets for all those settings, optimized by 5 of the greatest SEOs out there: Aaron Wall, Rand Fishkin, Stephan Spencer, Michael Gray and Andy Beal. World class on-site optimization, out of the box!

- b2evo offers integrated stats with graphs, including robots vs RSS vs browser hits, showing referers and search queries. All this *without* sending your usage data to a third party!

- Most flexible widget system in the industry…

There is more like CMS capabilities and AdSense integration and even more to come:

I am currently working on some awesome feedback I got from Darren Rowse at SXSW but the b2evo team and myself are very interested in suggestions and feedback from all of you here. Please let me know what your think!

And no matter what, thanks for listening! :P

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27 Syed Balkhi March 20, 2008 at 4:58 am

keep up the good work …

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28 Julian March 20, 2008 at 5:02 am

I think it’s normal that SEO’s are this young. Every meeting I go, most of them are 20-30 years old, some even younger. In Germany I know some guys who are 19 and earn X.XXX $ per day.

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29 jtGraphic March 20, 2008 at 10:16 am

Good job man!

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30 jtGraphic March 20, 2008 at 10:17 am

I’m thinking the same thing. I have a 17 year old brother that can’t even get a job…

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31 Ricardo March 20, 2008 at 10:36 am

I listened to the show and have to say that harrison did pretty well. Lets see what comes next ;-)

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32 Anil March 20, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Scott, you obviously admire Mark’s rhetorical skill — do you find his bullying invective in that second post consistent with your own interpretation of what Christianity espouses? When someone does the thing you ask of them, do you respond with mockery and unkindness? I struggle to understand why some people are so eager to identify as Christian, and since you’ve been eager to help in this conversation, I thought maybe you could respond.

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33 Syed Balkhi March 20, 2008 at 3:38 pm

I talked to him over the IM and have to say he is a pretty good guy and reading his blog it seems like he have a bright future.

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34 Flimjo March 21, 2008 at 4:43 am

I wish I had started that young.

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got around to listening. Actually the first time to listen as well. Interesting stuff. I need to plug into this webmaster podcasting thing a little more. I am also going to be watching the affiliate challenge. Like to see your team knock it out of the park!

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