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		<title>By: graphic design careers</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/01/29/gaming-google-adwords-with-google-redirects/#comment-200494</link>
		<dc:creator>graphic design careers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t accept this particular post. Even so, I had researched in Yahoo and I&#039;ve found out that you are right and I seemed to be thinking in the incorrect way. Keep on publishing quality articles like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t accept this particular post. Even so, I had researched in Yahoo and I&#8217;ve found out that you are right and I seemed to be thinking in the incorrect way. Keep on publishing quality articles like this.</p>
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		<title>By: song guanyu</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/01/29/gaming-google-adwords-with-google-redirects/#comment-152845</link>
		<dc:creator>song guanyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi I am more inclined to seo google adwords, but now I am doing B to C to be closed in the powerful google,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi I am more inclined to seo google adwords, but now I am doing B to C to be closed in the powerful google,</p>
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		<title>By: Google adsense : Learn, practice and share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google adsense : Learn, practice and share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bork</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/01/29/gaming-google-adwords-with-google-redirects/#comment-52428</link>
		<dc:creator>Bork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see all the people complaining about Google will catch this, if they haven&#039;t already... Oh, the redirect is against policy, etc.

I think you are missing the point. It is not that a redirect is good/bad, that it is following or not following the Google policy...

You are missing the point. The point is that the advertising rates are a black box. The quality score is a black box. 

Look at this another way... lets imagine the super bowl. Lets say for prime ad spots during half time that there are four ads times that are sold. Spot 1 goes for 1.5 million dollars, spot 2 goes for $1.2 million, spot 3 goes for $5,000, and spot 4 goes for 1.1 million. If the other advertisers got wind of this, they&#039;d probably be pissed. What if they found out that advert 3 was a subsidiary of the company that runs the super bowl and thus paid only a token amount. Then, as an advertiser you find out that they&#039;ve been paying only a token amount on all their adverts across the network. The network just kept telling you that you had to pay the going rate but with the advice that if your advertisements or company was of  &quot;more quality &quot; you might pay slightly less. In the end, it wasn&#039;t really about quality. There is no way that Google is a better site for cleverclasp.com than the actual web site.

While it doesn&#039;t affect every one, if Google is playing in your same ad space - why? They often have little content or text that describes the products that they are promoting. They are automatically assuming that they, themselves, are a quality site.  It is not like they have to be &quot;quality&quot; and have scores that reflect well and thus outbid you for advertising. If some of your competitors use Google owned advertiser services (double click), since it is a black box anyway, who is to tell if there aren&#039;t some sweet heart deals between Google and Doubleclick?

If you are an SEO do you think you are really going to be able to compete with Performix in the SEO space? Hrm, let me check to see why Google isn&#039;t ranking you as high as it should... vs. let me Q/A your site, run some A/B tests, and see if we can hit or miss, gain you a top 10 ranking....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see all the people complaining about Google will catch this, if they haven&#8217;t already&#8230; Oh, the redirect is against policy, etc.</p>
<p>I think you are missing the point. It is not that a redirect is good/bad, that it is following or not following the Google policy&#8230;</p>
<p>You are missing the point. The point is that the advertising rates are a black box. The quality score is a black box. </p>
<p>Look at this another way&#8230; lets imagine the super bowl. Lets say for prime ad spots during half time that there are four ads times that are sold. Spot 1 goes for 1.5 million dollars, spot 2 goes for $1.2 million, spot 3 goes for $5,000, and spot 4 goes for 1.1 million. If the other advertisers got wind of this, they&#8217;d probably be pissed. What if they found out that advert 3 was a subsidiary of the company that runs the super bowl and thus paid only a token amount. Then, as an advertiser you find out that they&#8217;ve been paying only a token amount on all their adverts across the network. The network just kept telling you that you had to pay the going rate but with the advice that if your advertisements or company was of  &#8220;more quality &#8221; you might pay slightly less. In the end, it wasn&#8217;t really about quality. There is no way that Google is a better site for cleverclasp.com than the actual web site.</p>
<p>While it doesn&#8217;t affect every one, if Google is playing in your same ad space &#8211; why? They often have little content or text that describes the products that they are promoting. They are automatically assuming that they, themselves, are a quality site.  It is not like they have to be &#8220;quality&#8221; and have scores that reflect well and thus outbid you for advertising. If some of your competitors use Google owned advertiser services (double click), since it is a black box anyway, who is to tell if there aren&#8217;t some sweet heart deals between Google and Doubleclick?</p>
<p>If you are an SEO do you think you are really going to be able to compete with Performix in the SEO space? Hrm, let me check to see why Google isn&#8217;t ranking you as high as it should&#8230; vs. let me Q/A your site, run some A/B tests, and see if we can hit or miss, gain you a top 10 ranking&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: WeXo &#187; Forskellige former for cloaking</title>
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		<dc:creator>WeXo &#187; Forskellige former for cloaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2)Â Â Â Â Â  AdWords â€“ nĂĄr QualityScore er et problem. Her er pointen blot at sĂ¦nke sit minimumsbud, ved kunstigt at hĂ¦ve sin qualityscore. Jeg har endnu ikke prĂ¸vet dette, da jeg er i tvivl om de juridiske konsekvenser. Dog ser dem der har brugt Steve Polandâ€™s trick, der stor set gĂ¸r det samme via Googles eget system, er sluppet godt fra det. http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/01/29/gaming-google-adwords-with-google-redirects/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2)Â Â Â Â Â  AdWords â€“ nĂĄr QualityScore er et problem. Her er pointen blot at sĂ¦nke sit minimumsbud, ved kunstigt at hĂ¦ve sin qualityscore. Jeg har endnu ikke prĂ¸vet dette, da jeg er i tvivl om de juridiske konsekvenser. Dog ser dem der har brugt Steve Polandâ€™s trick, der stor set gĂ¸r det samme via Googles eget system, er sluppet godt fra det. <a href="http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/01/29/gaming-google-adwords-with-google-redirects/" rel="nofollow">http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/01/29/gaming-google-adwords-with-google-redirects/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TaT: Gaming AdWords, SEO-Tutorial von Thomas Promny, guter Linkchecker &#187; SEO und Domains &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/01/29/gaming-google-adwords-with-google-redirects/#comment-51996</link>
		<dc:creator>TaT: Gaming AdWords, SEO-Tutorial von Thomas Promny, guter Linkchecker &#187; SEO und Domains &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shoemoney hat bereits vor einigen Tagen einen interessanten Hinweis gegeben, wie man den Quality Score von Google AdWords gamen kann. Funktioniert mit einem I Feel Lucky-Redirect, wodurch man den QS von Google.com erhĂ¤lt. Bin mir nicht sicher, ob der Trick noch funktioniert. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shoemoney hat bereits vor einigen Tagen einen interessanten Hinweis gegeben, wie man den Quality Score von Google AdWords gamen kann. Funktioniert mit einem I Feel Lucky-Redirect, wodurch man den QS von Google.com erhĂ¤lt. Bin mir nicht sicher, ob der Trick noch funktioniert. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Best of the &#8216;Sphere - 3/2/08 &#124; TechnoMoney &#124; Smashing Blogging Tips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best of the &#8216;Sphere - 3/2/08 &#124; TechnoMoney &#124; Smashing Blogging Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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