PageRank Update, SeoMoz Seo Updates, StumbleUpon And The I Follow Movement

by Jeremy Schoemaker on October 27, 2007 · 74 comments

I am proud to present: Pamcakes – This Week In SEM!

Links to sites Pam talks about:

Beginner’s Guide to SEO Rewrite

Paid Link PR Update Here or Here

StumbleUpon and Social Search

Jill Whalen’s SMM article

Boser’s Do Follow post

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Jeremy "ShoeMoney" Schoemaker is the founder & CEO of the ShoeMoney Blog, Elite Retreat Internet Conference, & the PAR Program. In 2013 Jeremy released his #1 Amazon Best selling Autobiography titled "Nothing's Changed But My Change" - The ShoeMoney Story. Jeremy currently lives in Lincoln Nebraska with his wife and 2 daughters.

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1 HustleStrategy

Pam going to be at pubcon partying like a rock star? ;)

2 David Wilkinson


3 wethead

So my question is why is TLA still a 7?

4 Blog Contests

Hahaha – excellent point!

5 Chris Jacobson

I’d like to meet Pam. She seems like my type of girl… good information too. :)

6 serge

what is comment spam?
Just wondering if is at all possible that social networking sites will recognize the need for self true trip regs? Just a thought.

7 SonicReducer

I think the value of the contest just increased by a large margin.

8 wethead

Advertisers: Improve your traffic and search engine rankings.

Only TLA can deliver an ad that does both.

How is seomoz NOW a 6 and yet they are a 7?

9 Neon

probably because they did not sell links on their own site and with many sites backlinking to them. a marketplace to kill other site’s pr while gaining its own pr?

10 safesurfer

Is it just me or does Pam appear to be either bored or tired? There is great information in there but somehow she fails to transmit it in a enthusiastic manner.

11 ShoeMoney

I think she is just a little nervous. You should have heard my first radio show or public speaking appearance..

12 Jonathan Volk

I find it hilarious most of the comments are about Pam and not what she’s saying… I bet that’s how most of the comments will be ;)

Either way, good information. I was selling links on one of my PR 5 sites and… well It got owned in PR for sure.

Ah well, it was one of those useless sites anyways.

13 Ventrilo

Thanks for posting this

14 JustinM

Well, everything she talked about has been beaten like a dead horse already. But she did seem to really understand what she was talking about though, which was surprising and impressive! Great video Pam.

15 sockmoney

I find it interesting that so many folks feel the problem with comment spam evolves around the “do follow” versus “no follow”.

Comment spam is transforming beyond links… at least in my world of community moderation. We battle the new wave of spammers that are looking to build up their online reputations, not inbound link counts.

I imagine soon it will be more widespread… As for links, we simply don’t allow them unless they are internal in comments. If you look at the non-webmaster community, most folks don’t have the first clue on how to create a link in a comment, nor do they have any interest in doing so.

Take a good look at your audience. Who creates links? Webmasters… Spammers…. and Techies. If your site is not catering to these groups, I would guess you might find turning off link all together may solve 99% of your spam problems, and “most” of your users won’t even know it.

16 Rulo

Well, I don’t think you can talk about other thing than Pam as she is so damm pretty. Thanks for all the info, Pam.

17 Daniel

Maan… Sometimes I just realize how much the internet has affected me. I see a pretty girl on a webcast and cant help but starting to hum ‘I touch myself’ bu the B52′s

Great reportage though

18 FreeKill

Was that her first ever broadcast, or has she done a few before?


I just wanted to touch on the bit at the end there. I think Pam is 100% right. Any strategy that the social sites and Google employ to determine what shows up on top will always be met with the people who find a way to manipulate it or make money with it. That’s just how the web is. The best that Google (and others) can do is rely on the crowd to let them know when a link or site is getting more positive attention than it should and deal with it on a case-by-case basis.

20 ismar

lmfao I officially hate google…

21 Paul

she’s hott! i almost stopped watching the video….good strategy

22 tom

I like this format of broadcasts much better :) Not that you’re not good at them Shoe, just… this is better :)

23 Collin

lol, speaking of SEO does anyone know one thats good and is looking for work. I need one, and nice post Pam

24 MyGoodFinds

Oh my gosh! Talking of SEO, the Google Gods just granted me a PR 4 today! This is crazy, while big guns loose their ranking, I got a raise!

25 Pam

I’ll definitely be at pubcon and I always party like a rockstar :)

26 Farmer

Ha! Dofollow circle jerk…sounds like fun, where do I sign up?

27 Farmer

It took you this long?

28 Farmer

If you’re not selling links PR is about as good as trying to put out a fire with a strainer full of water…

29 ismar

they took my PR4 and gave it to you

30 CPA Affiliates

cool video update. much better than looking at your ugly mug *LOL* ;)

31 Ivy

Great job on the news update Pam!

32 Smash

That´s really ironic lol.

33 safesurfer

maybe his PR dropped during the last update?

34 safesurfer

pr4 is good. 6 stepts to climb left for you, though. :-)

35 Mubin

Trusting people to moderate themeselves in comments is ridicuolous. Especially us webmasters… Im tempted to drop a link in my sig right now.

36 uttoransen

hello Pam,
You look cool, and what ever you say you are correct! But thinking about spam, microsoft comes to your mind, lol

this update of PR was good for me, lot’s of my sites now have PR.

37 Farmer

/sarcasm off

I might be slow…but I’m not that slow.

38 Scorpiono

She’s gorgeous!

39 jim

hahaha classy

40 safesurfer

Maybe she is nervous but to me she does not look nervous at all. I would expect her voice to shake a bit in case she was nervous. But nevermind – I am not the one to judge her after this initial podcast.

41 safesurfer

Oh well, if I am not mistaken the webmaster community is still predominately male. That may be an explanation for the ‘enthusiastic’ response in the comments here.

42 big money

I’m lovin’ it! First I win the bowling ball from the Shoemoney RSS contest last tuesday, then my PR goes from 0 to 3 yesterday on my new big money site (only been around for 3 months) traffic is coming in stronger and ALL of my other sites 50+ went 1-up in PR as well, none went down.

Speaking of pagerank drop, I haven’t seen anyone comment on this yet but if you think your drop is bad, take a look at, they have a massive PR drop from an 8 to a 3. Last time I heard, Google owned YouTube. I thought this was worth noting.

Love the video Pam, it’s pretty lively hearing an intelligent SEO discussion from a female webmaster, as there aren’t many around. You know, I’m a hot stud ever since I won that Shoemoney bowling ball, and we do have things in common if you’re interested… :))

43 Neon

google makes people love and hate. they are just too powerful.

44 Tracy Robinson

What was up with the rolling eyes? Made it hard to take her seriously.

45 Mubin

Does Google really care if its own site went from 8 to 3? Its not like they are selling text links on youtube or

46 Big DoFollow Jerk

Hey Pam,

Loren did not pay you enough? ;)

47 mick

I think once the dust settles will be found to be right in most of the re-ranks..i mean mine went down but so what..they were overrated to start with in the first place :)

48 賃貸 大阪

Only one of my sites went up, 2->3 but other sites went down one notch 6 -> 5 and 5 -> 4.

The video was pretty good.

49 Web Directory

I follow movement don’t work well if you don’t have enough followers, nor enough solid content to connect with random readers. A lot of people leave comments because they want to, not because they want a link. And when the only thing they want is a link, they tend to leave comments that make no sense. It is so easy to spot the crap they write and moderate it.

50 Lucia

I suspect you have a number of misconceptions about the dofollow movement. That said, it’s a bit difficult to present counter arguments to your video which basically amounts to an adhominem attack (i.e. circle jerk) and an eyeroll after what appeared to be an ironic suggestion that comment spammer will just leave our blogs alone.

Of course spammers will no more leave dofollow blogs alone than nofollow b logs.
The issue of ‘bot comment spam is no different for dofollow and nofollow blogs. This is generally handled by Akismet, SpamKarma and BadBehavior at both types of blogs. Obviously, nofollow bloggers are attentive to this type of spam, and I hope you are equally so with your nofollow blogs.

The issue of human comment spam is potentlially more pesky at dofollow blogs. For this reason, it was discussed in our little “circle jerk” universe quite some time ago.

It turns out that that spam not that difficult of time comsuming to deal with. I dealt with it by writing a modified plugin (Lucia’s Linky Love) that gives a dofollow only after a visitor leaves comments with at least 3 matches (name, domain, email). For the most part, human comment spammers give up when they need to leave three matches because they know they won’t ever get a follow.

Quite a few, though not all dofollow bloggers use this plugin. There are several other dofollow plugins that discourage human comment spammers using slightly different algorithms. Many of dofollow bloggesr are quite happy with the choices available.

I hope this discussion of how we deal with spam addresses whatever you may have meant when you rolled your eyes after making the remark about comment spammers and dofollow blogs.

51 Japan it UP!

Bwahahahah! Comments spam stopping? That’s funny.

52 Neon

unless that particular site/blog has good SERP or has a pool of good targeted visitors and followers are webmasters who willing to visit regularly to leave a footprint of their link.

53 Gecko Tales

Don’t get too happy. You never know when Google will decide that something you are doing is against their rules and bust you down.

54 serge

congrats on the success of this video!!!

55 John M Weaver

Kind of funny leaving a comment on a post about blog comment spam! HA!

56 Seo Next

its very good update but for old and big sites pr became very less.

57 Metrowest MA Real Estate

Great discussion about SEO. Page Rank is certainly over rated. If your site doesn’t drop in the SERPS who cares? Quality content is what drives the internet and always will.

58 Amit

wow thats excellent discussion on page rank.

59 Joeychgo

I love it!!!!

60 Travel Guy

Agree with the emphasis on “visible” PR – not seeing any real change in traffic.

As I’ve said elsewhere, part of this latest shake-up from Google seems not to be a focus on getting rid paid links, but rather on serving relevant content – ads included.

Makes sense as this is what Google does with their AdSense ads anyway.

61 Thousand Dollar Project

i enjoyed it, thanks for sharing :)

62 Vincent

I can’t believe Pam said “blogroll circle jerk”!! Did you write that for her, Shoemoney?! :)

63 Benj Arriola

I have worked with/for Pam for over a year, as always, Pam is still hot.

64 scamfreemoneytalks

she gives a lot of good content but the presentation seems a little bit unappealing. i guess she so should control her self from looking here and there too often.

65 Pug

Seriously though my 106 is nicer

66 Sahil Kotak

Interesting post, I would check that video out right now.

67 How To Kiss Chris

Wow, enjoyable, yet informative

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