Between comments here on my blog and the 20 people a day I ban on Digitalpoint forums for people spamming Agloco affiliate links I am amazed all the IDIOTS who actually think they will get paid from this company.
The only people who are going to get paid from agloco are the ones who are at the top of the pyramid. Just like every other multilevel marketing scheme ever.
I think its so fricking dirty. I cant believe all the people that are promoting it. Its like calling up your friends to come over and listen to your Amway presentation…. just so scummy.
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Whats funny is that the people at the top of any thing make all the money. Thats life of capitalism. MLM, corporate america. geez if you want to make money you have to be on top. The only thing is if a company says they gonna pay this much for this result, then they need to pay up. Or get accused of being a pyramid scheme.
Shoe,
OK, I lost.
I do look like an “idiot” now.
BTW, I’m going to “screw” them…It’s not the end yet.
You may want to take a look here :
Agloco Idiot’s Blog
You win!
While John is supporting Agloco than they will survive.
These agloco kids must be laughing their butts off at the stanford frat house they’ve been using as the agloco HQ.
John Chow will have to tackle a lot of furious people in the near future…
Right now he doesn’t give a sh_t, but he will.
S Holmes,
OK. No more for me to talk any further.
You’re wrong–SChee is my real name. I’m Chinese. ‘Chee’
is my ’surname’. S stands for Stan.
SChee;
Despite your pyramid-pusher argument that I should be ‘Babak’ on ‘tradersnarrative’, this is NOT the case;
If you read Babak’s writings, you will clearly see that he is an American, obvious from content and use of language.
On the other hand, I am Norwegian. You can easily verify this by several of my postings where I have critized/attacked several pyramid and Ponzi schemes on various forums; Try google’ing e.g. Holmes + Plexpay, and you will find postings where I have translated Norwegian newspaper articles.
Example: http://www.realitymakers.com/forums/about60.html
I note, SChee, that you are quite well trained in the use of pyramid-pusher arguments, e.g. this one:
“Take a look at any manufacturing company…
-At the top there’s always a guy titled ‘ceo’
-Right below that ceo guy, usually another category, maybe a few, maybe 10 people called ‘vice president of something’, depends on the size of the company.
-The next level, ‘director of something’…a bigger no. of ‘directors’ than ‘vice presidents’ of course.
-Next, ‘Manager of something’…with bigger no. than ‘directors’…
-And the organisation keeps growing southward…each level gets broader and broader…
Try draw a graphic out of it. What do you see?
A PERFECT PYRAMID!
Who makes the most money ?
The ‘CEO’, that’s without a shadow of doubt.
Do you understand what a ‘pyramid’ really is?”
This is the classical pyramid pushers’ argument of intentionally confusing the pyramid scheme principle of “receiving compensation generated by payments from other persons joining the scheme”, with the hierachial structure found in most conventional companies.
And I have no plan to disclose my identity. Some reasons:
1) I back up my evaluation of various dubious schemes by logical analyses and references (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paid_to_surf which shows that Agloco’s predecessor AllAdvantage burned off 175 million $ in less than 2 years, and that ad-surfing revenues were very small per person and never matched the payouts). Therefore, readers can folllow my reasoning and make up their own opinion, and hopefully avoid being scammed or tricked into a completely useless venture. My name is thus of minor importance.
2) In response to my writings about other pyramid or Ponzi schemes, threats have been made against me from owners and pushers of such schemes.
I notice, by the way, that SChee is also using a nickname ….
S Holmes,
You obviously have done a lot of researches on Agloco.
This is what you wrote in the Agloco Blog:
“Mike Klingler is using a tactic regularly employed by promotors of pyramid and Ponzi schemes: If your scheme is critizised by more than one person; Accuse those persons of being one and the same person.
For the record, I am NOT Babak. You will, however, find my comments on several discussion forums, critizising various pyramid and Ponzi schemes, with the signature S Holmes.”
Under the comment section of this post:
http://blog.agloco.com/index.php/post69/#postcomment
This is NOT a personal attack by the way.
But I still think ‘tradersnarrative’, ‘SH’ and ‘S Holmes’ are the SAME person.
You’ve got SOME valid points and concerns about the
Agloco business model but NOT ALL.
I’m a promoter as well as supporter of Agloco all this
while but I’m definitely not ‘blind’. Personally
I’ve my own concerns and reservations about certain
aspects of the biz, as well as the ways it operates
so far. But on the other hand, I want to be fair to
the Agloco Management Team—I want to give them
sufficient time before ‘jumping’ into any conclusion,
ONE YEAR is the time I’m willing to keep my mouth
’shut’–This will expire by End Nov 2007.
I won’t talk more as your IDENTITY is NOT known.
What’s your point? Why can’t you disclose your identity?
The real business model of Agloco is probably as follows:
* Using a pyramid-like concept, a large number of members will be recruited; Agloco envisages between 1 and 10 million members. Recruitment bonuses are not paid in cash, but in “units”/”shares” with vague promises of large profits some unspecified time in the future.
* The members surf advertisements on the internet and generate a small income per surfing hour to the company (which becomes quite much money if there are several million members), but the members are not paid any money; They only receive “units”, with vague promises of large profits on these “shares” sometime in the future, “when the company becomes profitable”.
* The income from the members is used to pay inflated salaries to the managers/owners of Agloco
* After 1 – 2 years (or when many dissatisfied members start asking questions about when the promised large profits on the shares will appear) the management will let Agloco go the same way as AllAdvantage and the rest of the paid-to-surf companies from 1999-2000; The company is run into bankruptcy or shut down, with the explanation that: “Unfortunately, the expenses of the company were larger than the revenues!”
* In the end, the members will be left with a heap of worthless shares in a bankrupt or shut down Agloco, as “compensation” for their advertisement surfing and recruitment efforts (but with no money).
The owners/management, on the other hand, will have enjoyed being paid high salaries and commissions for a couple of years, and can retire from Agloco as wealthy men.
In short, the probable business concept of Agloco can be summarized as:
Get a large number of people to work for you without being paid, by promising them large profits in the future.
Then pocket the revenue from their efforts yourself!
I hate theses fake companies that get suckers to fall for their trap. Making $10 after 24 hours of work is not worth it
The trend started by John chow where i first came to know about them. I dont find them attractive and i think the company will be closed before it open. They will run away~
Agloco IS a scam, I tried that crap site and about 4 others like it, same result, never got my money. :cries:
to schee,
Im not really helping any side. Shoemoney says is Agloco is an idiot and you said it will work. Ok but right now,the members are spamming quite a lot in the forums and community to get a downline for Agloco. people too will get annoy by it, right?
Beautiful scam.
This was on Digg a few months ago:
What Everyone Ought to Know About Agloco
The guy nailed it way ahead of most.
Hi, interesesting statement and discussion; I totally agree. I wrote about it in my blog once in the beginning. It clearly is a pyramid scheme; actually, it wouldn’t even haved invaded my attention spam if not for John Chows endless rantings. He sounds like a cheap tv preacher, and even if he manages to pull some cash out of this whole crap, it *will* damage his long-term rep. Generally speaking, I don’t think it’s a good idea to treat your readers like affiliate monkeys. The reason I’m reading sm on an almost daily basis is that I have the impression that *if* you talk about some project, it’s simply your opinion, based on knowledge of the industry, and some scammy scheme…
Shoemoney,
I’m one of those ‘IDIOTS’ you’re referring to here.
I’m a small guy, also an Agloco member.
You know what? You’re a BIG NAME on the Net but calling
little fellas (I’m one of them) ‘IDIOTS’ isn’t very wise.
OK, you’re writing it in your blog but your blog is gold.
One day, one FINE day IF Agloco DOES work, it’s going to
‘haunt’ you, just the same way it might haunt John Chow (you said it).
I hope my comment gets published.
We’ll see—Time will tell the TRUTH, and to confirm who’s
an ‘IDIOT’ (You or me).
What I think is really stupid about Agloco is that it is basicly an MLM type program but usually an MLM will allow theteam leaders to contact their downlines. In Agloco, you don’t know who your referrals are and have no contact with them. So if it really is an MLM, that sort of defeats the purpose.
Take a look at any manufacturing company…
-At the top there’s always a guy titled ‘ceo’
-Right below that ceo guy, usually another category, maybe a few, maybe 10 people called ‘vice president of something’, depends on the size of the company.
-The next level, ‘director of something’…a bigger no. of ‘directors’ than ‘vice presidents’ of course.
-Next, ‘Manager of something’…with bigger no. than ‘directors’…
-And the organisation keeps growing southward…each level gets broader and broader…
Try draw a graphic out of it. What do you see?
A PERFECT PYRAMID!
Who makes the most money ?
The ‘CEO’, that’s without a shadow of doubt.
Do you understand what a ‘pyramid’ really is?
So tell me—what’s wrong with MLMs ? What’s wrong with
Agloco which also has a multi-level referral system (a uni-level).
What’s really wrong with top blogger like John Chow who has
joined and promoted Agloco? John has a large network of
Agloco members because he has worked to build it. If John
eventually ends up making a lot of money out of Agloco, he
DESERVES every bit of it! Period.
Fair enough, Agloco has yet to pay any money to its members
BUT IT HASN’T TAKEN ANY MONEY FROM ANYONE EITHER!
I’m an Agloco member. I don’t have a network as big as
John Chow’s. I’ve 4,000 plus members and I haven’t even
spent a red dime to promote the program. I didn’t even spend much time to promote it either.
John Chow is sitting on top of more than 20,000 Agloco members. But wait, there are more than 1 billion internet
users out there—AND IF you want, you can sit on top
of 10’s of thousands too! My question to you is this:
Are you capable of doing that?
There are literally 1,000’s of programs out there that
NEVER pay anything.
Think…Why Agloco being singled out and criticized negatively by so many people? Why Agloco and not something
else?
Will Agloco ever work?
Personally I see it as an uphill task. But I believe it has a good chance to succeed. Time will tell the truth.
Tongue in cheek
.
If it is MLM, the people at the top will make most of the money, which was always kind of a turn-off to me. It wasn’t really how hard I worked, it was when I got in. That aspect of MLM bothers me.
I’ve been pretty sick of the whole Agloco business for a while now. I was one of the early people to download the toolbar to review it but the software isn’t actually a “browser toolbar”, it’s actually a full application which gives it more control of your OS than if it were working within the restrictions of a browser toolbar plugin. Anyway, I intalled the stupid thing on my backup laptop and it infected my computer a virus and scumware. Supposedly they patched the problem, but I won’t install it again.
You can check my blog, the Agloco review article is in my most popular articles or you can search Google for “agloco toolbar” to find my article.
btw, Jeremy, this is my first comment here, but I’m really loving AuctionAds !!! Thanks…
Give them a chance. I hope it will turn into the profis soon. First they need pubsher network and than they can fet advertisers and there is the money.
I agree AGLOCO will not amount to anything.
This is kinda a side topic..But i do like MLM and feel is it a legit way to make money..BUT it takes work and time like anything legit. I actauly did do amway, some online MLM and WMA (finacial MLM) WMA…was were i learned the most..i was about 17 the 1st time i knew about them and 20 when i finally decided to try it out. A good friend of mine, his uncle was an engineer and decided to get into it..and he had started when i met him at 17…Today he is a millionare from it. and i’ve seen his checks, borrowed his cars ect.. So they do work..but he works his ASS OFF 24/7.
although..I hear the same abotu WMA..its a scam, its a Pyrimid ect.. we shouldn’t assume until we see what actualy happens.
I actauly did amways as well..i was 18 at the time and it did work..but eventauly i reliazed the margins were so small that you could spend your time doing other MLM with higher payouts. What was funny at that time.i keot saying i wanted to sell the stuff online..and i told my upine leader…his reply was..well they are a big company..if they felt it would be benfical..they would already be doing it…MY LOL came about 2-3 years later, when Amway decided to Go online!
maybe i would ahve made a killing if i did setup the site….but had no $$ at the time….lessons learned..BIG COMPANIES dont know jack alot of times!
Chow has gone freaking downhill recently.
Totally agree with you. They join a programs (AuctionAds or Agloco), and then they think a month later they are suppose to make a couple of thousand! I have 37 ActionAds referrals, and I believe I still haven´t seen a cent from these…
it’s just the system itself.. only first levels gain..
You re right.. with pyramid you have to pay, but the system is the same.. only first levels will gain something if they ever bring money in..
I installed the view bar, to see what happens. Took me less than a week to get rid off it. I even made a post about that on my blog and did attract some visitor activity. Seems this whole Agloco scam is annoying many people. And rightly so … Just read their suggestions how promote Agloco to your friends etc … How can normal person expect anything serious and decent to be behind such a brainwash style intro letter …
well, everyone knows its a pyramids network. Anyway, its free to joined. It just that Agloco never paid anything yet until now. We shall see how it turns up this year.
John Chow is a Agloco whore.
PS – Anyone wanna buy Agloco123.com ?
Except John is one of the top dogs who will make off with some money for his efforts
I’m thinking about not fooling with it either. Has anyone gotten their correct hours for this month (August)? It seems like their site isn’t calculating the new month, well at least for me.
It’s the new business model: get others to do advertising for you, and offer them pennies on the dollar for their time. People THINK about riches but don’t factor in REALITY.
OMG Shoe,
Amway, lmao ,….I used to have these friends back in the day that were soooo into that ..it was insaine all they did was put money into it…
By the way this is sundaybrew
See ya shoe
Why people still want promote this agloco?
I agree with you. I never signed up for that
A pyramid is when you pay something… I have no clue what I will win, but I am not losing anything. Wouldn´t you accept a free lottery ticket if someone just gave it to you?
Shoemoney never received any profit from AuctionAds (until he sold) and that didn´t stop him from promoting it… well, at least they advertised they paid out 100%…
I agree. John Chow is promoing this stuff. The people who promote this stuff are lame.
Gee… some people are complaining its a “get rich fast scheme”. Others are complaining its not paying! What gives? By the way, I thought the guys running AuctionAds weren´t making any money either! Did they lose their patience or sell for a HUGE profit?
lol apparently with his 1million referrals
Basically a way for anyone to make money spamming. You cant make serious money from it so why do it. Glad you ban people for it because people have tried it on my entertainment forum also and get a ban from the name next time they do it we ban them with their IP
I too first saw this over at John Chow. Kinda reminds you of that Office episode…
from day-1 i thought that Agloco was just plain spammy and didnt bother with it..
One thing i DID learn from your post though: i didn’t realize you were a DP-Forums moderator..
I noticed John Chow promoting this too, and thought it seemed v spammy. I hope they don’t hit my blogs – I already waste enough time deleting spam. Final straw today – am getting inbound links from porn sites. Does anyone know how I can stop them linking to me?
I can’t believe people still think they are going to get paid from Agloco. If you take a look at their business model you will soon see that it just wont work and further more, I think they themselves have realised it as they have gone very quiet. Which is a good sign they dont want any attention
Thank you for being one of the few big Internet people out there who are against Agloco. It is an absolute joke, plain and simple. Notice how ever since the toolbar was released John Chow has kept quiet about it, coincidence?
I think I actually made a few hundred dollars from them too. Of course they had no limit to the hours you could do so or anything else. Those were the days.
His blog is turning to crap so he needs all these crazy income sources. All he posts now are retarded updates.
Does shoemoney actually call John an idiot somewhere?
I think John took most of the pie. He said he was in the top 0.01% lol
Everyone is promoting the heck out of this stuff but nobody has even been paid, have they?
Yeah, exactly like john chow.
I doubt even John Chow will ever make anything. Who is ever actually going to use the crappy toolbar. I am just waiting for it to be labelled as spyware by Norton or some other anti virus company and that will really kill it.
the only one going to make any money off it is John Chow,though I do say its one of the prettiest pyramid schemes I’ve seen lately.
the whole idea didnt sound good to me, i never really got into the whole thing. sucks for the people who took out ads though
I promoted it earlier on my blog, but now I regret it because as more time passes and they still aren’t paying it seems more and more like a pyramid scheme. I don’t even bother trying to sign up members or run the viewbar anymore.
I looked at Agloco early on, thought about signing up just to watch what they did, but finally decided even that much wasn’t for me. Completely too questionable for my taste.
Thats…why I hate AGLOCO, pyramid level damn shit..!!
Do we know when this whole Agloco thing is going to get up and running? I am interested to see some results…
Definitely only pyramids yeah.
I also have that freaking problem in my forum.
I think I’ve heard this story before. oh wait, thats right. This sounds like AllAdvantage all over again. If you read John Chow’s blog, he isn’t hardly making anything off of Agloco and he is one of the top networks in the company.
This could go down as the biggest hype let down in all of 2007.
lol @jim . Thats very true!
Think he cares?
I’m so sick of people just wanting to make an easy buck. How about trying to build something of value. Nobody want to work anymore.
Actually John Chow is on top of a pyrimid so its not him that I call a idiot although I think promoting this shit will come back to haunt him
Back in 2000 I was in Alladvantage and a few dozen similar companies. I made money from most, but they all went belly-up while still owing me commissions.
After that experience I don’t see why this time would be any different or why I would waste my time joining any of that crap again.
Back then, making money like that seemed pretty cool. But these days there are so many more ways to make money, and the companies and income streams are more stable.
I agree coompletely!!! Total waste of space!…. While i don’t like Multilevel marketing… its not the concept i hate its always the way they pitch it… make 200K a year with little work… I know people that have been doing it for year and bearly make a K or two a year… but yet spend their weekend walking thru lowes or home depot etc.. saying you look like somone i know… then say anyways u interested in buying this stuff cheaper or making money on your own etc… then the sales picth (i mean lie) goes on from there….. tisk tisk
shoemoney ur right Im a memebr of agloco and in fact quite fed up, a good company at least shows that they are working and communicates with these members, these people have shown nothing so far, they are sleeping however ever mlm scheme is not a crap like u mentioned abt amway. I did not join amway in the beginning still I am getting paid real cash coz I followed the system, say what u want to, Im the one making the money. Agloco hasnt paid a dime yet so its justified to criticse it.
Red flags went up everywhere as soon as I heard about Agloco and I think the Amyway comparison is very accurate.
I once had a co-worker that tried to get me to sign up for Amway, but he never told me exactly who the company was until the lunch meeting at Shoney’s (stop laughing). I sat down with him and his upper level dude (who was kind of dirty with paint all over his hands) and listened to a humorous pitch on how they were already retired (at the age of 20) because of Amway. Yes, sell stuff from Amway… they sell everything Wal-Mart does and more! Hmmm…why not just buy stuff from Wal-Mart?
I was the only one who ended up buying something to eat, they had two glasses of water. Who paid for the bill? Me.
And that is my Amway experience. lol
I made this a little while back.
AdJunko- WE Own the Internet!
I’m probably talking out of my ass with it but what else is new?
Thanks for calling it straight on the AGLOCO nonsense, Jeremey. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that since there is no money involved to get in then it can’t be called a pyramid scheme. However, it is … and people who invest their time, effort and reputation are putting up capital just as sure as the person who pts up money.
Regarding what AGLOCO can or can’t get in trouble for? I’ve been point that out since day one. they are a Chinese corporation … in my view probably done that way to avoid having to abide by any of the FTC and other US guidelines that protect us from a majority of scammers. So if someone wants to sue them, make sure your lawyer speaks Chinese and is admitted to the bar in China because you won’t be taking them to court in the USA.
Can Agloco get in trouble for not policing stuff under CAN-SPAM?
i don’t think agloco requires any sort of payment so it wouldn’t be illegal, if you don’t collect any money and just don’t pay out for service (especially when you don’t promise to payout), I don’t think that’s illegal.
If he gets a taste, that’ll probably be more than what any of the lemmings who sign up under him will ever see. I think it’s funny how people worship other people in that manner and follow them like fools. Oh well, leaves more of the pie for the smarter folks.
Hahah like john chow?
Those people need to realize that if it sounds too good to be true…
I never understood all the promoting of something that no one ever received a penny from.
Any time the company starts out with big promises and then starts to qualify them and then asks for patience, that means you’re not getting paid. Whether it’s online or off, the MO of a scammer is to milk you as long as they can and then disappear.
Yup, I was just going to say that. Unfortunately, as long as there are people like John willing to promote it these types of things will always be around and usually make money for the people that start them.
Yeah, John pushes that thing like no other. I think he’s pretty close to Agloco and it would be interesting to know what that relationship is.
If anyone can prove it is a pryamid scheme they can have the company shut down. It’s a tough thing to prove though. I’m sure they have lawyers making sure they fall just inside the legal area. I hate lawyers.
Yeah, I have very fond memories of AllAdvantage as well. Of course, I was also about 15 at the time, and making $20 in a month was a HUGE deal! I don’t think I’d be that impressed with that total these days…
I couldn’t resist
http://www.ontopresults.com/blog/2007/08/03/shoemoney-calls-john-chow-an-idiot/
Yeah, I’ve always thought that it seemed like a pyramid scheme scam.
Has anyone even received a check yet from these people? I see all kinds of people promoting it, but no one actually posting income.
I must be lucky; Ive not been spammed yet with this crap
You can thank John Chow for promoting the hell out of it and encouraging people to get on the Agloco train. I never even went to their homepage.
I’ve gotten lots of emails off people asking me to sign up to Agloco through their affiliate link when they heard I didn’t have an account. It’s pointless because only people like John Chow who get a very large amount of traffic, and have a zombie like reader base will do anything he asks. And he was one of the firsts to blog about it aswell, considering no one else knew about it I suppose they just decided to sign up through the Chows aff link.
I was wondering how that agloco thing was going to turn out. i’m not on board and i’m sick of the pitches that keep beating me on the head.
Definately spammy. I started promoting them at first and then I thought WTF am I doing.
Hehe yeah – I’m heavily spammed with this crap too. It’s that “get rich fast without any work”-scheme that let people believe this crap will work.
That 5 hours per month thing is hard. I don’t know if they did but they should make that amount higher.
Is anyone even making any money from this thing yet? Its been dragging on for soooo long
I like it. But then, I like anything that makes me laugh
shoemoney, you can’t just wake up a morning and decide agloco doesn’t pay, what’s that, you know better,
I own a “get paid to complete offers” site,
and I would be pissed off if someone did that, in fact someone did lately and that sucks.
hey, btw, you could make some decent money if you send me referrals
I agree, nothing else needs to be said.
hey! its just like the ebizel company… another shitty MLM running like mad in India.
Pyramid indeed..
all those agloco sheeps
You mean nobody actually get paid yet? I have been using it for two months already…
yet none of them are actually making any money right now…
Heh, I just read about that company a few days ago how ‘easy’ it was to make money. Tons of bloggers pimping it right now.
I lmao every time I see “Own The Internet”
It’s friggin’ ridiculous and I find it to be severely discrediting when top bloggers promote the sh*t on their sidebars and such.
I’ll bet most of your readers can smell a sales pitch a mile away though… ie the main reason they read your blog!! :p
It always seemed like Agloco was a little spammy in my book. That’s why I never signed up with them. From what I’ve been hearing across the web, many people are becoming fed up with them.
Imagine that. I can’t see why..lol
Don
I did pretty well off of AllAdvantage back in the day (former Agloco name). Granted that was a very long time ago, I was 15, and they eventually went belly up.
I agree though. I don’t think Agloco will amount to anything. I heard something about how they have to “break even” before payouts begin.