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Is It A Waste Of Money To Bid On Keywords Where You Are Not In The Top Spots?

Posted January 15th, 2007 by Jeremy Schoemaker

Question : When doing SEM with Azoogle Ads or CJ, do you think it’s a waste of money to bid for anything lower than the top few spots in sponsored search?

ShoeMoney Answer: On the Pay Per Click side of Search Engine Marketing I never pay more then the minimum allowed by the search engine. So basically 10 cents (yahoo’s Minimum) is the most I ever pay per click. This method requires a lot more work and “skill” if you will because you have to come up with longtail keyword combinations, typos, and misspellings.

As far as placement goes really I do not put that much into it. I have found that I get more clicks being 1,2,3 then bad for 4,5,6,7 but ok for 8,9,10 spots. I think this stems from the same explanation as SEO that people either click on the first results or scroll to the bottom and find something that catches there eye.

I think the most important thing is your CTR (click through ratio). There are tricks you can learn to increase this that really have nothing to do with even your ad copy. If you are in the USA and search Google for “shoemoney” you will see this:

ShoeMoney Adwords

Notice how the bold words form a arrow like > ? That is a nice eye tracking trick that for me increased clicks by about 25% in ANY SPOT. Discovering this for me was a HUGE THING because more clicks means a higher quality score which moves you up for more exposure which means you get more clicks which… well you get the point.

Of course I just use “shoemoney” as a example especially since I only bid 2 cents per click on it (and i know all you assholes are going to go click it now). Anyway always test.


Each Monday I am going to try to take some questions asked to me in email and here on the blog and answer them. I call the answer part the “Shoemoney answer” mainly because I do not know if its right or wrong but its what I think based on my experience so far.

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70 comments. What say you?

  1. Good Comment?
    Jan

    That is the craziest tip!

    Our minds do some wild things…did you know that colors affect people differently in different countries when it comes to advertising, blogging, etc.?

    Not an original comment. I read about the colors in a blog post which lead me to an article about the countries.

    Hello, Subliminal.

  2. Good Comment?
    UltimaHosts

    Great SEO trick!

  3. Good Comment?
    jobawareness

    I think its a fantastic idea that is legal, but you need to arrange the words in a such a way that it looks like an arrow, yes it is an eye catching trick. WE need more clicks/conversion= more moneyl.

  4. Good Comment?
    ways to make money online

    That is an awesome trick. You say it boosted your CTR by 25 percent which is pretty good if you ask me.

    I’m going to re-optimize and put your tricks to work.

    Thanks

  5. Good Comment?
    Jack

    Don’t worry, I clicked on your ads for you. more than once.

  6. Good Comment?
    Dating Webmaster

    Thanks for the info.
    I just having experiments with PPC marketing and I have to say there are a lot of to talk about…

  7. Good Comment?
    tech blog

    So it is subliminal?

  8. Good Comment?
    Dan

    IMO it’s not, using the arrow trick will help you get to Number 1 as well…

  9. Good Comment?
    ChristianPF

    Shoe, you aren’t joking – when that ad is side by side with the others it stands out like a sore thumb!! Thanks for sharing

  10. Good Comment?
    Tyler Dewitt

    Jeremy,

    I just launched a ad words campaign and yes I’m going to start promoting affiliates through organic search were working on about 15-20 sites, but anyways my QS score goes down big time when I use keyword typos I’m thinking maybe I need to add the keyword typos on the landing page somewhere, but that would be a lot and spammy looking.

    Ohh well I’m sure I’ll figure it out

  11. Good Comment?
    YourGuideToInternetMarketing

    Great advice! I seen this the other day and I gave it a shot. Its been only a day now and I have seen my CTR pretty much triple, could just be luck but will continue to monitor it against my previous ad on Adwords and see the difference over the next few days. Thanks for sharing Shoemoney I think your arrow trick works great. Great tip for sure for people trying to increase their click through rate instantly.

  12. Good Comment?
    hectril

    Nice trick Shoe. Its easy to spot and best of all this adwords strategy is a click to notice

  13. Good Comment?
    christian gehrke

    I would have never thought of that but can see how useful it could be. Thank you very much.

  14. Good Comment?
    makubex

    awesome! I never think that before.

  15. Good Comment?
    swollenpickles

    That’s interesting, it’s almost subliminal. I would never have thought such a simple trick would make such an impact!

  16. Good Comment?
    John Loch

    Ha.. something new every day. A tad abstract, but it works.

    Thx :D

  17. Good Comment?
    Secure Hosting

    Great post – the bold words arrow is a fantastic technique!

  18. Good Comment?
    Thomas

    good stuff Jeremy.

  19. Good Comment?
    Thomas

    Nice tip. Do you have any data to support the increase in CTR?

  20. Good Comment?
    Rett

    Jeremy Schoemaker (pronounced “Shoe-maker”). Makes a lot of money online.
    Schoemaker + money = Shoemoney

  21. Good Comment?
    eBuzzMaster

    Interesting tip! We play around regularly with positioning and find the bigger the purchase price, the better conversions happen at slightly lower positions. Let the competition educate the consumer. I’ll close ‘em.

  22. Good Comment?
    Andrew

    IMO, the increase in CTR is probably from inserting the keyword into the ad three times – as opposed to the actual shape that the bolded keywords make.

  23. Good Comment?
    Brent

    No he means $100K

    http://www.shoemoney.com/gallery/v/misc/adsensecheck.jpg.html

  24. Good Comment?
    John Loch

    Where does the term SHOEMONEY come from ???

    Mebbee I’m daft, but I just noticed last nite, at the end of a movie, that it was produced/made by a company whos logo is a picture of a dollar bill with a shoe on top.

    Funny, as soon as i saw it I thought, I’ll bet thats where Jeremy got it from.. anyway.. enough warbling, its 1AM.

    Bye :)

  25. Good Comment?
    c

    I think you mean he made $100/month.

  26. Good Comment?
    JeffPosaka

    Thanks for this tip, Shoe. I am going to try it out.

  27. Good Comment?
    ToddW

    Never would have realized or thought about the > trick very interesting information!

    Looking forward to informative mondays :)

  28. Good Comment?
    Clint Lenard

    Always got something new and interesting to read :-)

    Very nice … the awesomeness just doesn’t stop.

  29. Good Comment?
    TechMentat

    Very interesting (and simple) idea. I’ll definitely take the advice and post if I find anything interesting between increased CTR & position. Thanks!

  30. Good Comment?
    ShoeMoney

    yup usually they will deactivate themselves on adwords or move up.

  31. Good Comment?
    Alex

    What if there are so many bids for your keywords that a minimum bid bumps you down to position 53 or something? Do you still bid the minimum if you’ll never get traffic?

  32. Good Comment?
    DH

    Another tear shed for no mo NetIncome. I learned these tips from Shoe 6 months ago by listening to the podcasts.

  33. Good Comment?
    Shortshire

    Thanks now I can try out little tricks like this. I guess in the next two weeks we are going to see hundreds of ads with this same trick.

  34. Good Comment?
    tacimala

    To control as much real estate on that SERP as possible!

  35. Good Comment?
    tacimala

    You don’t bold the text, SE’s bold the search query on returned results.

  36. Good Comment?
    Brent

    Oh wow. Can’t wait to try this.

    One question though which I think you already partially answered. You bid 2 cents per click for “shoemoney”. I see that is a low price, but why bid on the keyword at all when you are already #1 for that keyword in the SERPS?

  37. Good Comment?
    Ron Wilson

    Is there a program out there that will help create the keyword typo list?

  38. Good Comment?
    vanceland

    Great tips Jeremy! That is a serious longtail strategy…you must have to upload a boatload of keywords to get enough traffic to make it worthwhile, though.

  39. Good Comment?
    Hannes Johnson

    Wow, I did not know that arrow trick – Nice!

    Thanks Shoe!

  40. Good Comment?
    ShoeMoney

    Actually you bid on the typos and mispellings… not put them in the adcopy

  41. Good Comment?
    robh

    What do you do with longtail keywords and misspellings?
    I cant imagine putting a misspelling in the ad would help, and with longtails you would run out of space?

  42. Good Comment?
    Miha

    How do you bold a text in AdWords?

  43. Good Comment?
    Paul

    Nice tip there Shoemoney. I actually laughed when I read it, because a little while back I published the exact same trick and ad in my PPC guide. The article can be found here if you’re curious.

  44. Good Comment?
    Clarke Henning

    This is a great tip. Actually I think you mentioned something about it on one of the Net Income shows awhile back. I implemented this on some of my campaigns and have seen some great results.

  45. Good Comment?
    ShoeMoney

    We are just squaring away the other leaders/partners for this event and should be opening it up in the next couple weeks.

  46. Good Comment?
    Scott Weaver

    Outstanding. What other tricks do you have hidden up your sleeve?

  47. Good Comment?
    Mitchel

    > the elite retreat is more about helping you take your business to the next level

    Excellent. When are you opening registration for San Francisco? I will be there! I’ve already learned so much from your blog and radio show, so can’t wait to meet in person.

    BTW, you say in this post that you always bid the minimum. While it of course varies by topic, what type of click volume does that translate into per day? Can you really get 1,000s of daily quality clicks at a nickel or dime?

  48. Good Comment?
    Chris Love

    Not getting the arrow thing, but the Bolding by matching the keyword phrase is a huge click thru factor.

  49. Good Comment?
    ShoeMoney

    perhaps… the elite retreat is more about helping you take your business to the next level. It will probably involve tricks that we have learned. The elite retreat is not a sit down and be amazed by shoemoney and friends tricks though ;)

  50. Good Comment?
    Mitchel

    Revealing real tactics like this is why you are the best! Is this the level of detail you provide at the Elite Retreat?

  51. Good Comment?
    Bill Neilson

    Thank you very interesting, I will look forward to the Momday comments.

  52. Good Comment?
    Bill Neilson

    I just put my 2 cents in comment not spent yous.

  53. Good Comment?
    Chad

    Wow Shoe, that is a sick trick. Thanks for sharing. New questions and answers each Monday rocks.

    • Good Comment?
      Atlanta wedding photographer

      With the net people typically skim first to see if they want to read something. Who wants to look at a sea of words on the screen? Well, I’ve started to try to “bold” the main points or use anything else that will get there attention. I didn’t really think about using it for ads since they were so small. I guess it would be even more important to get their attention.

  54. Good Comment?
    Ray

    Damn nice trick. I hope you do more question and answer!

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