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	<description>By Jeremy Schoemaker</description>
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		<title>By: wildbluff_matt</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/10/22/click-fraud-crap/#comment-5907</link>
		<dc:creator>wildbluff_matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much money did this end up saving you each month?  Sounds like it might have been a very good ROI for the time spent putting together the report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much money did this end up saving you each month?  Sounds like it might have been a very good ROI for the time spent putting together the report.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/10/22/click-fraud-crap/#comment-5906</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PPC advertise would get traffic or not but affilates and ppc service owner will make money by fraud example google adsense they are billionaires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PPC advertise would get traffic or not but affilates and ppc service owner will make money by fraud example google adsense they are billionaires.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/10/22/click-fraud-crap/#comment-5905</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we would never trust ppc service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we would never trust ppc service.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/10/22/click-fraud-crap/#comment-5904</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your article and it looks very interesting, it never crossed my mind that google will actually accept an individuals complain and agree for retribution.

I want to pursue this matter now, and I was wondering whether you can provide me with a little more details about the technical aspects of the report submission.

1. At what point do you consider a clicker as fraud, how many times does he have to click to be considered fraud.

2. Considering a certain threshold has been establish, do you include any click to any keyword, or only if its repeating within the same keyword.

3. What amount do you request back, avg cost of that keyword for that timeframe?

4. And last but not least, what about non aggressive clickers, lets say a particular user clicked 5 times, would you request back 4 out of the 5?

Your response, and hands on experience on this matter will be greatly appreciated, and I&#039;m looking forward to share your expertise on this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your article and it looks very interesting, it never crossed my mind that google will actually accept an individuals complain and agree for retribution.</p>
<p>I want to pursue this matter now, and I was wondering whether you can provide me with a little more details about the technical aspects of the report submission.</p>
<p>1. At what point do you consider a clicker as fraud, how many times does he have to click to be considered fraud.</p>
<p>2. Considering a certain threshold has been establish, do you include any click to any keyword, or only if its repeating within the same keyword.</p>
<p>3. What amount do you request back, avg cost of that keyword for that timeframe?</p>
<p>4. And last but not least, what about non aggressive clickers, lets say a particular user clicked 5 times, would you request back 4 out of the 5?</p>
<p>Your response, and hands on experience on this matter will be greatly appreciated, and I&#8217;m looking forward to share your expertise on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Subscribe! &#187; Names@Work &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/10/22/click-fraud-crap/#comment-5903</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ShoeMoney is a little more than just another get-rich-with-Adsense blog. It is that, but there&#8217;s a real person there. I particularly enjoyed the recent Click Fraud Crap article. With advertisers lining up to spend money like Guidos at a velvet-rope nightclub, click fraud is obviously not the Google-killer some hysterics are making it out to be. &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ShoeMoney is a little more than just another get-rich-with-Adsense blog. It is that, but there&#8217;s a real person there. I particularly enjoyed the recent Click Fraud Crap article. With advertisers lining up to spend money like Guidos at a velvet-rope nightclub, click fraud is obviously not the Google-killer some hysterics are making it out to be. &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; From Shoemoney.com - Click Fraud Crap - Best AdSense News</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; From Shoemoney.com - Click Fraud Crap - Best AdSense News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I keep seeing a new story every day about how the paid search placement is UBER F00ked because of all this click fraud&#8230;. Whatever&#8230;. I am pretty newb to this whole ppc game. I just started about jan/feb of this year but I learned very quickly how to generate my own fraud reports and submit [&#8230;] Read more&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I keep seeing a new story every day about how the paid search placement is UBER F00ked because of all this click fraud&#8230;. Whatever&#8230;. I am pretty newb to this whole ppc game. I just started about jan/feb of this year but I learned very quickly how to generate my own fraud reports and submit [&#8230;] Read more&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoe -

The click fraud detection you are using will catch the obvious stuff, which, for the most part, engines are getting better at catching. It won&#039;t, however, do any good against the more sophisticated bot-based programs that use 1000&#039;s of compromised PC&#039;s to generate fraudulent clicks against networks of MFA sites. Google &quot;clickbot.a&quot; or &quot;KMeth Worm&quot; for more. These approaches will use multiple IP&#039;s to generate clicks from different systems with different browser names. Impossible to detect. You will only see declining conversion. Simple answer? Watch contextual ads carefully or avoid them altogether and stick with mainline search.</description>
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<p>The click fraud detection you are using will catch the obvious stuff, which, for the most part, engines are getting better at catching. It won&#8217;t, however, do any good against the more sophisticated bot-based programs that use 1000&#8217;s of compromised PC&#8217;s to generate fraudulent clicks against networks of MFA sites. Google &#8220;clickbot.a&#8221; or &#8220;KMeth Worm&#8221; for more. These approaches will use multiple IP&#8217;s to generate clicks from different systems with different browser names. Impossible to detect. You will only see declining conversion. Simple answer? Watch contextual ads carefully or avoid them altogether and stick with mainline search.</p>
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